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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #10640 on: June 21, 2018, 11:15:23 AM »
Melania Trump wears a 'I don't care' jacket to visit immigrant children in Texas

Why would a First Lady ever wear something with that message?

It's almost as bad as Obama's tan suit.  :)
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« Reply #10641 on: June 21, 2018, 11:57:33 AM »
Suddenly an Israeii newspaper is Holy Writ.
Ha'aretz? Yawn!
The Jerusalem Post is actually much better.
I read both, for good reasons (staying in Israel each Summer); there's no doubt Haaretz is the better newspaper. You're not so much biased, but probably worse: blind.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #10642 on: June 21, 2018, 12:10:26 PM »


How the Trump administration did not see it coming is beyond any understanding. Even the women in Trump’s entourage (Conway, Sanders, Nielsen, Zamyrabird) were too busy defending the indefensible, nobody saw the train speeding towards a wall (not the one Trump wants, I mean the wall of public opinion’s tolerance to cruelty).

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #10643 on: June 21, 2018, 12:23:53 PM »


How the Trump administration did not see it coming is beyond any understanding. Even the women in Trump’s entourage (Conway, Sanders, Nielsen, Zamyrabird) were too busy defending the indefensible, nobody saw the train speeding towards a wall (not the one Trump wants, I mean the wall of public opinion’s tolerance to cruelty).
What might actually be going on is a re-enactment of a political strategy already described by Stefan Zweig in another context: some politicians will take isolated, individual measures and see whether they can “get away with it” or they have to yield to the outrage (domestic and/or international) these measures may generate. In the former case, they then take the next, even bolder step. In the latter, they retract and reassess their tactics. Sadly, this strategy has worked in the past (often—always?—with disastrous consequences).
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« Reply #10644 on: June 21, 2018, 12:28:47 PM »
What might actually be going on is a re-enactment of a political strategy already described by Stefan Zweig in another context: some politicians will take isolated, individual measures and see whether they can “get away with it” or they have to yield to the outrage (domestic and/or international) these measures may generate. In the former case, they then take the next step. In the latter, they retract and reassess their tactics. Sadly, this strategy has worked in the past (often—always?—with dusastrous consequences).
You're hitting the nail. It's all about authoritarianism once again; last time it quickly turned into totalitarianism. The same being at stake now.
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« Reply #10645 on: June 21, 2018, 12:38:31 PM »
You're hitting the nail. It's all about authoritarianism once again; last time it quickly turned into totalitarianism. The same being at stake now.
So it seems...

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 what has been done will be done again;
 there is nothing new under the sun.”

And let me add, this is not only happening in America...
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #10647 on: June 21, 2018, 07:07:38 PM »
I read both, for good reasons (staying in Israel each Summer); there's no doubt Haaretz is the better newspaper. You're not so much biased, but probably worse: blind.

Not so blind as to be able to read Arutz7 in my inbox.
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« Reply #10648 on: June 21, 2018, 07:11:36 PM »

Why would a First Lady ever wear something with that message?


The message was for the media.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #10649 on: June 21, 2018, 07:55:03 PM »
According to Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Trump's immigration policy architect Miller is 'pure Waffen SS': www.haaretz.com/us-news/trump-adviser-rips-into-stephen-miller-he-s-waffen-ss-1.6192214

In the absence of facts, flinging sensationalist catch words and slogans are the next best thing but it is not responsible journalism, rather scraping the bottom of the barrel, actually shameful:

Anyone reading this headline and text has a right to know who actually said it as the allegations are so serious:

Trump Adviser Rips Into Stephen Miller: 'He's Waffen-SS'
Miller, the architect of Trump's hard-line immigration policy, is the protege of Steve Bannon and an old friend of the controversial white nationalist leader Richard Spencer

You won't find it in the article but there is a reference to the source where you won't find the name of the accuser either:

Stephen Miller, the 32-year-old White House adviser, has ignited a political firestorm in the United States as the Trump administration's immigration policy of separating migrant children from their parents and detentions in cages is putting pressure on the nation. Miller himself is reportedly happy with how things are going, which led one fellow staffer to equate his behavior to that of the Nazi SS, Vanity Fair reported Wednesday.

"Stephen actually enjoys seeing those pictures at the border," an outside White House adviser said.


Who is that adviser? "Someone said" Cages? Trump's policy (No, Bush and Obama's!)
Actually, such inferences are grounds for libel and I hope this avenue is pursued.


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« Reply #10650 on: June 21, 2018, 08:00:48 PM »
The message was for the media.

That makes absolutely no sense. What message is "the media" supposed to take?

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #10652 on: June 21, 2018, 09:38:50 PM »
I love this article;  it's laser accurate.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/rachel-spare-us-your-partisan-tears/21520#.WywxVqczaUk

"The Maddow spectacle confirms that anti-Trump emotionalism is now a menace to reasoned debate"

No, it just confirms that you are a sociopathic asshole.

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« Reply #10653 on: June 21, 2018, 10:04:22 PM »
Actually, such inferences are grounds for libel and I hope this avenue is pursued.
Cynical ideologues like Bannon and Miller are about the closest to Nazism you can get, in the US. Aren't they?  ::)
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #10654 on: June 21, 2018, 10:23:55 PM »
That makes absolutely no sense. What message is "the media" supposed to take?

Melania doesn't give a fig about them.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #10655 on: June 21, 2018, 10:30:03 PM »
I love this article;  it's laser accurate.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/rachel-spare-us-your-partisan-tears/21520#.WywxVqczaUk

Please refer to my post where Glenn Beck chastised Maddow for mocking him when he sent food and toys to the kids on the border in 2015. it just proves all this virtue signaling is theater, very bad theater.

« Reply #10595 on: Today at 12:26:59 AM »
Go ahead and cry like Rachel Maddow who actually mocked Glenn Beck for sending tractor-trailers full of food, water, teddy bears and soccer balls to McAllen, Texas on July 19 as a way to help care for some of the roughly 60,000 underage refugees who have crossed into America illegally in 2014. Beck was joined by Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah), Congressman Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), and a number of pastors and rabbis.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/07/08/we-must-open-our-hearts-glenn-beck-announces-major-border-event-in-texas
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« Reply #10656 on: June 21, 2018, 10:30:43 PM »
"The Maddow spectacle confirms that anti-Trump emotionalism is now a menace to reasoned debate"
No, it just confirms that you are a sociopathic asshole.

Wow, don't we have some nice people on board???
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« Reply #10657 on: June 21, 2018, 10:33:46 PM »
Cynical ideologues like Bannon and Miller are about the closest to Nazism you can get, in the US. Aren't they?  ::)

No, making accusations where the accuser is not named is Nazism.
Nazism was not so much about nationalism as it was about control based on phony biological science.
Now doesn't THAT sound eerily familiar?
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« Reply #10658 on: June 21, 2018, 11:45:04 PM »
All the damage can’t be undone.
Nor will the injury to America’s reputation abroad be easily repaired.


Sure, lies and slander are notoriously difficult to eradicate.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #10659 on: June 22, 2018, 01:45:48 AM »
Undocumented immigrants don't get any "freebies." Instead, most of them work hard and pay taxes. The US economy benefits from these people.

Sorry. Even my jaw dropped to the floor when reading these statistics:

More than half of all non-citizen children and teens in the United States are receiving taxpayer-funded welfare, mostly Medicaid, while nearly half of all non-citizen adults legally in the country are on welfare, according to a new report.

In a just-released study of welfare use by U.S. born Americans, naturalized citizens and non-citizen aliens, the Migration Policy Institute found that of the 22 million non-citizens in the country, 10.3 million are on at least one welfare program.

The report said that 54.2 percent of children and teens up to age 17 receive at least one of four major public welfare benefits while its 46.3 percent for those aged 18-54 and 47.8 for older aliens.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/54-of-alien-children-teens-on-welfare-nearly-half-for-adults
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