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« Reply #12420 on: September 21, 2018, 04:52:46 AM »
my father was a victim of the US court system 4 decades ago. My mother put on a crybaby act around the judge, ruined his reputation and cleaned him out financially. Sure, women who play to the galleries like that are saints but thinking, questioning, responsible women are not.

Well, that explains a lot..
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« Reply #12421 on: September 21, 2018, 05:02:48 AM »
And what is the role of the spotless little angel? Sure, she would not put herself in compromising circumstances. At least her parents should have seen to that at her age of 15. Women would never lead men on and then cry "Rapo". Besides Potiphar's wife, there were Jezebel and Delilah in the Bible, cute little bunnies...

A fifteen year old girl trying to get to the bathroom is leading men on? Roy Moore apparently thought so, which is why he had to be banned from the local mall. 

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« Reply #12422 on: September 21, 2018, 05:04:51 AM »
Your thinking starts with the result you want and you work backwards from there.

That's a common problem and tells an intellectually honest person from a dishonest one. It seems to be difficult to see to what direction our thinking goes. I believe math can teach people to think to the correct direction, because in math you don't generally know the answer. You have to start with the premise and work toward the answer. That's why math is important for everyone, not only for those who need it in their work. It teaches intellectual discipline and honesty.

I watched the skype debate (interview) between Ray "banana man" Comfort and Jaclyn Glenn. In this debate Ray Comfort said he thinks flat earthers are idiotic, but at the same time didn't seem to recognize the silliness of cherry picking the Bible for the "good stuff". Jaclyn Glenn tried to get an answer from Ray Comfort about that, but he couldn't answer other than that God is testing people to choose the correct parts of the Bible or something along those lines. It was so evident how Ray Comfort is a victim of backward thinking. He correctly knows that the Earth is not flat so he is able to see the silliness of flattards, but on issues where his opinions happen to be incorrect his backward thinking leads to bananas being engineered for people by God even if we have breeded bananas to suit better for our needs.  :P

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« Reply #12423 on: September 21, 2018, 05:10:10 AM »
A fifteen year old girl trying to get to the bathroom is leading men on? Roy Moore apparently thought so, which is why he had to be banned from the local mall.

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« Reply #12424 on: September 21, 2018, 05:12:56 AM »
That's a common problem and tells an intellectually honest person from a dishonest one. It seems to be difficult to see to what direction our thinking goes. I believe math can teach people to think to the correct direction, because in math you don't generally know the answer. You have to start with the premise and work toward the answer. That's why math is important for everyone, not only for those who need it in their work. It teaches intellectual discipline and honesty.

I watched the skype debate (interview) between Ray "banana man" Comfort and Jaclyn Glenn. In this debate Ray Comfort said he thinks flat earthers are idiotic, but at the same time didn't seem to recognize the silliness of cherry picking the Bible for the "good stuff". Jaclyn Glenn tried to get an answer from Ray Comfort about that, but he couldn't answer other than that God is testing people to choose the correct parts of the Bible or something along those lines. It was so evident how Ray Comfort is a victim of backward thinking. He correctly knows that the Earth is not flat so he is able to see the silliness of flattards, but on issues where his opinions happen to be incorrect his backward thinking leads to bananas being engineered for people by God even if we have breeded bananas to suit better for our needs.  :P


This is just a theory of mine, but I don't think Jaclyn is a biological female.
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« Reply #12425 on: September 21, 2018, 05:15:58 AM »
I do hope that the charge is false. Ford knows that an FBI investigation would take months and this would possibly derail the vote.

     The investigation of Clarence Thomas took 3 days. As for false charges of attempted rape, they should be rare and I have no doubt they are, considering the high cost of making an accusation no matter how true it is. This goes triple if the accusation is against a political figure innocent by ideological affinity. He's "one of us" for the most unscrupulous "us" in public life.
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« Reply #12426 on: September 21, 2018, 05:17:02 AM »
Well, that explains a lot..

This is probably here nor there and somewhat off topic. I learned to love debating by sparring with my father, RIP. He was a Yankees fan, and I favored the Phillies. He made me read books outside the school curriculum; he even gave me a lesson once on airplane engines, we played improvised piano duets together, a great guy...
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« Reply #12427 on: September 21, 2018, 05:19:36 AM »
     The investigation of Clarence Thomas took 3 days. As for false charges of attempted rape, they should be rare and I have no doubt they are, considering the high cost of making an accusation no matter how true it is. This goes triple if the accusation is against a political figure innocent by ideological affinity. He's "one of us" for the most unscrupulous "us" in public life.

Habitual bad behavior is also a consideration as with Weinstein and Bill Clinton. If a person has an otherwise spotless record, it makes the accusation harder to believe and the more unfair if it turns out to be untrue.
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« Reply #12428 on: September 21, 2018, 05:21:44 AM »

Wow, you all have great taste in women: Hillary Clinton, Stormy Daniels, creepy Jaclyn, fantastic...

     The fun part is that a porn actor has far greater credibility than the compulsive liar who tried to silence her. As for HRC, she represented the status quo damaged by the Great Recession and its aftermath. So we got something worse.
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« Reply #12429 on: September 21, 2018, 05:30:22 AM »
Habitual bad behavior is also a consideration as with Weinstein and Bill Clinton. If a person has an otherwise spotless record, it makes the accusation harder to believe and the more unfair if it turns out to be untrue.

     The accuser has a spotless record, and I must point out that prostitutes are sometimes assaulted and murdered. Does that mean they are lying about being raped or dead?

      I'm willing to let the odds take care of whether the accusation is true or not, and if there is an investigation I'll let any facts alter my view. Most accusations are true, well above a majority, because the cost of a false accusation is high and few accusers are mistaken or mixed up about such events. Repubs can pretend they don't know this but it's a thin pretense.

     
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« Reply #12430 on: September 21, 2018, 05:36:11 AM »
Correlation is not causation. Kavanaugh may have gotten drunk with his friends as a teenager but it doesn't mean he was hitting on young women. In fact, if a vindictive person wanted to target him, she would read the book first and then contrue an accusation. I do hope that the charge is false. Ford knows that an FBI investigation would take months and this would possibly derail the vote.

"Hitting on" means a solicitation, proposition or come on that calls for a voluntary response from the person who receives it. Forcibly restraining, groping and trying to remove the clothing of someone who is screaming and in fear of her life is not "hitting on," it is sexual assault or attempted rape.

What makes you think Blasey-Ford is interested in delaying the vote? She didn't want any part of this affair, but felt a moral obligation to tell what she knows to authorities charged with vetting appointees for such an important position. The FBI investigation of the allegations against Clarence Thomas took only three days. What is the rush? The republicans held up Merrick Garland's hearing permanently for no reason whatever. A week or two to investigate an alleged felony by a candidate for the Supreme Court is a no brainer. If Kavanaugh and those who are trying to push him through thought there was no evidence to find, they would be calling for a speedy investigation by the FBI. They aren't. Don't you wonder why? Clearly they don't have much confidence in his innocence. That in itself is reason enough to slow things down and explore the issue.

Kavanaugh got drunk with other teenagers who saw what he got up to when he was drunk. We know who one of those teenagers was and it would be easy to establish who some of the others were. Given a credible allegation of sexual assault, those people should be found and interviewed. Blasey-Ford spent most of her life trying to forget what happened to her. Do you really think she would want to read Judge's memoirs in the unlikely event she even knew about them?

Habitual bad behavior is also a consideration as with Weinstein and Bill Clinton. If a person has an otherwise spotless record, it makes the accusation harder to believe and the more unfair if it turns out to be untrue.

But he doesn't have a spotless record! Good evidence surfaced during the hearing that Kavanaugh has lied to the Judiciary Committee on two occasions.
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« Reply #12431 on: September 21, 2018, 07:04:39 AM »
This is just a theory of mine, but I don't think Jaclyn is a biological female.
She has got a boob job so for once your theory is actually correct.  0:)
She has been open about the issue and made several videos about it. This is NOT the reason why I think she is smart. I don't care if you are male or female, black or white, young or old, gay or hetero, good looking or ugly. What you say and think is what matters. If you say smart things I will consider you smart.

Wow, you all have great taste in women: Hillary Clinton, Stormy Daniels, creepy Jaclyn, fantastic...

Two years ago when I was totally ignorant of american politics (I didn't even know who the hell is Bernie Sanders!) I did think Hillary Clinton would made a good president. That horrible ignorance is long gone now and I don't think that anymore. HC is completely corrupted. She would have been better than Trump, but that's not saying much given the utter incompetence and corruption of Trump. Stormy Daniels? I don't think anything of her. I haven't bothered to explore her thoughs.
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« Reply #12432 on: September 21, 2018, 07:29:57 AM »
(a probably vain attempt to divert)

Lighthizer’s is the economic philosophy most responsible for guiding the Trump administration, and he has ensured its influence for years, perhaps decades, to come.

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Lighthizer’s work has culminated in the budding trade war with China, with the Trump administration poised, as of last week, to raise existing tariffs on Chinese products to 25 percent. But to call Lighthizer a “prophet of protectionism,” as some have, gives the false impression of an underlying drive for U.S. autarky, self-sufficiency, or withdrawal from global markets. Nothing could be further from the truth. Lighthizer speaks openly in favor of free trade, comparative advantage, and what he calls simply “economics.” “The basic philosophy that we have is that we want free trade without barriers,” Lighthizer explained to Congress at the July 26 hearing. He said that the Trump administration “wants to get to the position where the U.S. is competing with countries on a bilateral basis and on a no-barrier basis, and then let the United States, let pure economics make the decision.” (“I’ve heard of Ricardo,” Lighthizer snipped at Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.), who was straining to reassemble a parable about English cloth and Portuguese wine.)

Where Lighthizerism departs from standard free trade philosophy isn’t in its desired goals of open markets but in its commitment to using an openly politicized arsenal of weapons for achieving them.
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« Reply #12433 on: September 21, 2018, 07:48:25 AM »

The FBI investigation of the allegations against Clarence Thomas took only three days. What is the rush?

    It's the lack of confidence that Kavanaugh can withstand heightened scrutiny of his behavior. What does "What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep"[/i] mean? What did happen? What does Judge not remember? Did he black out on telling fellow students about what he and his friends did? Could one of them be a person who doesn't black out?

     Judge doesn't remember and doesn't want to say under oath that he doesn't remember. We should not be in such a rush that we don't want to find out if he told a different story in the past.

     Kavanaugh's prep school culture nurtures high achievers, fosters darker impulses, grads say

A former schoolmate of Ford’s at Holton-Arms, Christina King Miranda, wrote a now-deleted Facebook post saying she had heard about the alleged assault by Kavanaugh at the time.

But she later told NPR that she doesn’t know whether it occurred. She’s also not giving any more interviews, writing on Facebook: “No more circus for me.”


     The truth is no defense against the "circus" when it comes for you. Consider the likelihood that Judge is the source of the information, that he might very well have blacked out on boasting about what happened. If word got around where did it come from?
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« Reply #12434 on: September 21, 2018, 08:22:24 AM »

A former schoolmate of Ford’s at Holton-Arms, Christina King Miranda, wrote a now-deleted Facebook post saying she had heard about the alleged assault by Kavanaugh at the time.

But she later told NPR that she doesn’t know whether it occurred. She’s also not giving any more interviews, writing on Facebook: “No more circus for me.”


     The truth is no defense against the "circus" when it comes for you. Consider the likelihood that Judge is the source of the information, that he might very well have blacked out on boasting about what happened. If word got around where did it come from?

According to Blasey-Ford, there was another girl at the party and two boys beyond the principals. Was the second girl a student at Holton-Arms? Kavanaugh and Judge allegedly went downstairs and talked with the others present after B-F locked herself in the bathroom and before she finally escaped the house. There were five people, therefore, who potentially could have spread the word.

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« Reply #12435 on: September 21, 2018, 08:37:22 AM »
I have just returned from seeing Fahrenheit 11/9

They had some interesting stuff.  One of my favorites is were they described an incident in Nazi Germany when before a match members of a football (soccer) team refused to exicute the Nazi salute during the National Anthem and how they were subsequently banned from football.

Overall I found the film depressing.  It reinforced many of my fears.  Like how the right suffers from the delusion that they are the majority and the only true Americans.  Even though the vast majority of Americans believe in a women's right to choose or universal health care or do not own a guns somehow we are not true Americans and the First Admendment does not apply to us.

If a person can not see how this man is destroying our democracy on their own they are not going to believe me.

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« Reply #12436 on: September 21, 2018, 09:46:09 AM »
A fifteen year old girl trying to get to the bathroom is leading men on? Roy Moore apparently thought so, which is why he had to be banned from the local mall. 

You have to understand that in zb's mind, Trump and Roy Moore are bastions of virtue, and any woman accusing them of impropriety is a floozy whom zb feels at absolute liberty to smear.  Oh, funny how she decries our "smearing" Trump and Roy Moore, innit?
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« Reply #12437 on: September 21, 2018, 09:56:28 AM »
“Here’s what I want to tell you,” McConnell said Friday morning at a summit for social conservatives. “In the very near future, Judge Kavanaugh will be on the U.S. Supreme Court. So, my friends, keep the faith. Don’t get rattled by all this. We’re going to plow right through it and do our job.”

There is no other way to read McConnell’s comment other than that the Ford allegation doesn’t matter to him, at least not when he’s so close to fulfilling his goal of firming up the Supreme Court’s 5-to-4 conservative majority weeks before an election.

Put another way: A woman accused a Supreme Court nominee of drunkenly pinning her to a bed, groping her and covering her mouth when she screamed when they were in high school decades ago. She provided therapist notes from well before Kavanaugh was such a public figure. She took a polygraph test. She is willing to undergo an FBI investigation and testify under oath before the Senate. These are all moves that outside experts say make her story credible, and yet here is the most powerful politician in the Senate appearing to brush all of that aside because he wants to “do [his] job.”

Not that this is a surprise — we’ve been questioning whether Republicans were taking Ford’s accusations seriously since they came out. It’s just a surprise to hear it put so plainly by the politician with the most control over the process.
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« Reply #12438 on: September 21, 2018, 10:29:29 AM »
Overall I found the film depressing.  It reinforced many of my fears.  Like how the right suffers from the delusion that they are the majority and the only true Americans.  Even though the vast majority of Americans believe in a women's right to choose or universal health care or do not own a guns somehow we are not true Americans and the First Admendment does not apply to us.

It is depressing for sure, but there is hope. As horrible as Trump's presidency has been it can have also some positive effects in making american wake up politically. Trump won partly because the voting activity among evangelicals was high. The other side must be active too. Left-wing candidates have been pretty successful in primaries despite of the money disanvantage so there IS activity on the left now and it works. It is actually quite easy for America to get out of this mess: Always vote for the furthest left candidate (the ones who don't take corporate money) and vote on every election to outnumber evangelicals who will always vote for the furthest right candidate no matter what. If enough americans do that things can really change for the better.
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« Reply #12439 on: September 21, 2018, 12:30:14 PM »
It is depressing for sure, but there is hope. As horrible as Trump's presidency has been it can have also some positive effects in making american wake up politically. Trump won partly because the voting activity among evangelicals was high. The other side must be active too. Left-wing candidates have been pretty successful in primaries despite of the money disanvantage so there IS activity on the left now and it works. It is actually quite easy for America to get out of this mess: Always vote for the furthest left candidate (the ones who don't take corporate money) and vote on every election to outnumber evangelicals who will always vote for the furthest right candidate no matter what. If enough americans do that things can really change for the better.

That is what one of the messages of the film.