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« Reply #15600 on: March 14, 2019, 12:18:06 PM »
Yes. I think the Finnish aviation expert mentioned a dirty speedometer can cause problems like this.

Quite so, a bad airspeed indicator caused the crisis that brought down the Air France plane. It iced over and the auto-pilot switched off, and the pilots panicked. But it was the angle-of-attack sensor failure that caused the previous 737 Max failure.

In any case, automatic controls have reduced the accident rate by a factor of 10. The problem now is to give pilots enough to do that they remember how to fly if there is an emergency. Maybe the auto-pilot should be programmed to switch off at random times and say "Ok, your turn" just to keep pilots awake.
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« Reply #15601 on: March 14, 2019, 03:31:13 PM »

The value of the system in question is controvertible. The most common form of pilot error is pulling the nose too high, disrupting airflow over the wings and killing lift. Then the plane drops like a stone. Systems to detect and prevent this error make perfect sense. A few years ago an Air France plane crashed into the Atlantic when the plane hit turbulent air and an airspeed indicator malfunctioned. The pilot's instinct was to gain altitude by pulling up the nose but they stalled the plane. They were still trying to pull up the nose when the plane hit the water. This system would have prevented that.


The analysis I heard (on NPR) was that the software fix was intended to counter the effects of a modification the original 737 design should not have been forced to bear: For the Max 8 Boeing added new heavier engines and pylons (there was some repositioning too) to the basic airframe, which caused a shift in the center of gravity and a tendency for the plane to go nose up. The software fix was an ad hoc solution to a problem that should never have existed. According to the expert I heard, the right approach would have been to redesign the whole plane to solve the problem structurally, but Boeing wanted a cheaper and faster to market solution. Saved them from having to engineer and retest a new design and to make expensive modifications to the production process. Seems they were penny wise and pound foolish.   

Isn’t the pigeon thing a cruel and unusual punishment ?

Hah! That wasn't part of the punishment, but just an inevitable consequence of leaving anything stationary in the open air in Manhattan. ;) One thing I do regret is that I should have placed the pillory in Columbus Circle, near Trump Tower, which I used to have to walk by several times a week.
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« Reply #15602 on: March 14, 2019, 03:51:53 PM »
The analysis I heard (on NPR) was that the software fix was intended to counter the effects of a modification the original 737 design should not have been forced to bear: For the Max 8 Boeing added new heavier engines and pylons (there was some repositioning too) to the basic airframe, which caused a shift in the center of gravity and a tendency for the plane to go nose up. The software fix was an ad hoc solution to a problem that should never have existed. According to the expert I heard, the right approach would have been to redesign the whole plane to solve the problem structurally, but Boeing wanted a cheaper and faster to market solution. Saved them from having to engineer and retest a new design and to make expensive modifications to the production process. Seems they were penny wise and pound foolish. 

I also read something to that effect. Presumably that change in flight dynamics was the motivation for the software design consideration, but all airliners have some sort of anti-stall system, at the very least an audible warning, visible warning, stick shaker or pusher, etc. The one on this aircraft seems to be more aggressive than what pilots are accustomed to.

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« Reply #15603 on: March 14, 2019, 03:55:56 PM »
Hah! That wasn't part of the punishment, but just an inevitable consequence of leaving anything stationary in the open air in Manhattan. ;) One thing I do regret is that I should have placed the pillory in Columbus Circle, near Trump Tower, which I used to have to walk by several times a week.

Maybe, for irony, the pillory could be 14 ct gold, made by melting down and recasting his famous gold toilet. :)
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« Reply #15604 on: March 14, 2019, 05:06:17 PM »
Maybe, for irony, the pillory could be 14 ct gold, made by melting down and recasting his famous gold toilet. :)

Why recast it? One could just chain him to it outdoors, neatly solving the only significant logistical problem for a long-term pillorying. And when you think about it, that gold toilet was acquired using the proceeds of decades-long tax fraud by the Trump family, which means: The public paid for that gold toilet and they should get to see their tax dollars at work. Feeding would take care of itself. With his head poking through the stocks, the passersby, or Cub Scouts out for a service badge, could make him compete for french fries with the pigeons and rats.
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« Reply #15605 on: March 14, 2019, 06:14:33 PM »
Kulinski is a leftist looked through the Overton window positioned far right. If the Overton window was where it should be, Kulinski would look pretty centrist. Kyle Kulinski is a prime example of someone who bases his opinions on facts and he can defend his positions very well. In Politicon 2018 Scottie Nell Hughes was the only one brave enough to debate Kyle Kulinski:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/_0H-8b_aSco" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/_0H-8b_aSco</a>

The video is 55 minutes so I don't expect you to suffer that much, but if you are curious...

He advocates leftism because what he represent is labeled leftist in the US. He advocated it to make the US better. To remove money on politics to restore democracy instead of current oligarchy. To give people healthcare like every other developped country. To give all Americans equal opportunities (not equal outcomes) with tuition free education. To legalize, tax and regulate drugs to minimize drug related problems in society, to end unnecessory wars and directing half of the military budget on the infrastructure in the US and so on. To make life better for most Americans. You maybe think it's a bad thing to advocate something that benefits most Americans. I don't. I think that's what any sane and democratic society should be doing.

Maybe before Trump won and I didn't pay that much attention to American politics I was as clueless as you think I am today, but it seems it's you who hasn't been paying attention.

You betray your bias when you talk about "where the Overton Window should be".  You agree with Kulinski, so you accept his assertions as facts.  In truth, if he were interested in facts he would admit that most of his proposals would not benefit most Americans. We don't need tuition free college to have equal opportunities. We need instead elementary and secondary schools that give a quality education to every one. (Something that conservatives are concerned about, but apparently not the Left.)  And so on through his list, which of course are all ideas that result in government bureaucrats making decisions about people's lives

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to end unnecessary wars and directing half of the military budget on the infrastructure
Is classic paleoconservativism.  If you knew even half as much as you think you do about American politics, you would not need me to tell you that.



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« Reply #15606 on: March 14, 2019, 06:29:42 PM »
     
In truth, if he were interested in facts he would admit that most of his proposals would not benefit most Americans. We don't need tuition free college to have equal opportunities.


      I'm interested in facts and I'm aware we never stopped needing tuition free college like we used to have, and that loading debt on students has been personally harmful for them and bad for everyone. Excessive private debt does damage to the whole economy. This was stupid stupid policy, just one big element to create a generation that has no chance to do better than their parents. Our (fewer) grandchildren will not thank us for such abysmal economic theorizing that decided saving dollars by not creating them for public purposes would benefit them. We turned our backs on centuries of building to grow for this?

     Stephanie Kelton asks a question of people skeptical of her ideas. It has 2 parts.

     If you could push a button and make the national debt disappear, would you push it? You know what the deep thinkers say. They say yes.

     If you could push a button and make all the Treasury bonds disappear, would you push it? No one says yes. Most people don't know what to say.

     Of course, it's the same button.
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« Reply #15607 on: March 14, 2019, 06:34:54 PM »
     
      I'm interested in facts and I'm aware we never stopped needing tuition free college like we used to have, and that loading debt on students has been personally harmful for them and bad for everyone. Excessive private debt does damage to the whole economy. This was stupid stupid policy, just one big element to create a generation that has no chance to do better than their parents. Our (fewer) grandchildren will not thank us for such abysmal economic theorizing that decided saving dollars by not creating them for public purposes would benefit them. We turned our backs on centuries of building to grow for this?

Wrong diagnosis. The problem is that everyone has been trained to think for decades that a college degree is essential to success, whether or not the student is suited for college.  That is also the source of the debt problem.  And college tuition was never free (unless you were a vet benefiting from the GI Bill.)

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« Reply #15608 on: March 14, 2019, 06:51:43 PM »
Wrong diagnosis. The problem is that everyone has been trained to think for decades that a college degree is essential to success, whether or not the student is suited for college.  That is also the source of the debt problem.  And college tuition was never free (unless you were a vet benefiting from the GI Bill.)

     College degrees are more essential than they used to be when we supported students more. This generation is not less suited to the level of education they'll need and they don't need less. That's just another excuse to "save dollars" that no one saves. Let's not spend the money, ignore the damage, then make up a pitiful excuse about how too many people want higher education.

     We shifted costs from public to private on a bad theory. Private debt does the damage public debt relieves or prevents. You can't be an economist with a job that requires you to be right without knowing the relationship between private credit conditions and the level of public support.
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« Reply #15609 on: March 14, 2019, 07:31:41 PM »
You betray your bias when you talk about "where the Overton Window should be".  You agree with Kulinski, so you accept his assertions as facts.  In truth, if he were interested in facts he would admit that most of his proposals would not benefit most Americans. We don't need tuition free college to have equal opportunities. We need instead elementary and secondary schools that give a quality education to every one. (Something that conservatives are concerned about, but apparently not the Left.)  And so on through his list, which of course are all ideas that result in government bureaucrats making decisions about people's lives

BTW, Is classic paleoconservativism.  If you knew even half as much as you think you do about American politics, you would not need me to tell you that.

You are hopeless! Of course tuition free education is needed so rich and poor are on the same line! That's equal opportutity
70 % support medicare for all despite constant smearing in corporate media. Of course medicare for all would benefit most Americans! If you pay less and you are covered without conditions it's superior to what is now. Sick Help sick help. That's how it should be. Of course tuition free education help when you don't have horrible dept! To say most Americans would not benefit is crazy. Overton Window should not be where 1 % screws 99 %!!

Who cares if it's paleoconservativism.(?) It's rational and needed! Paleoconservatives tend to oppose abortion and gay marriage. The left is pro choice and gay marriage so the fact that paleoconservativist are not empire builders doesn't make the left that.

Kulinski's opinions are VERY MUCH based on FACTS! Tell me even ONE thing that is against facts!
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« Reply #15610 on: March 14, 2019, 08:12:08 PM »
I am so frustrated about everything! On every FUCKING board some ASSHOLE tells me I don't know what I am talking about! WHAT is the point of educating yourself about anything IF you this is what you get?? I follow American politics practially EVERY day, hours of YOUTUBE!!! An then assholes tell me I don't know anything!! As a Finn I see what's fucked up in America (and so MUCH is!!) so shut the fuck up fucking assholes!! you watch corporate shit media you are brainwashed to conseervatism and you are moronic religious assholes!!!! shut the fucj tupo!!
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« Reply #15611 on: March 14, 2019, 10:04:37 PM »
I am so frustrated about everything! On every FUCKING board some ASSHOLE tells me I don't know what I am talking about! WHAT is the point of educating yourself about anything IF you this is what you get?? I follow American politics practially EVERY day, hours of YOUTUBE!!! An then assholes tell me I don't know anything!! As a Finn I see what's fucked up in America (and so MUCH is!!) so shut the fuck up fucking assholes!! you watch corporate shit media you are brainwashed to conseervatism and you are moronic religious assholes!!!! shut the fucj tupo!!

Leaving aside the question of why you are so interested in American politics, you know a lot, but you don't have context, so some aspects elude you. For what it's worth, there are U.S. citizens on this thread who strike me as more clueless than you are on many aspects of American Life.

One thing to consider is that the national government in the U.S. is not as dominant as in many counties, especially smaller countries. The 50 states have a lot of control of their environment and things are very different depending on where you live. Even Medicaid is a Federal/State program and is different in the various states. I'm in California, and it seems likely that California will have Universal Health care at some point in the not so distant future, even if it is not implemented nationally. But despite the fact that California is probably the most progressive state in the country, there are many things here that are more screwed up than almost anywhere else. For instance, primary schools here are widely underfunded, and extremely high housing costs have resulted in a crisis of homelessness. Texas has many problems, such as a very high rate of people with no health insurance, but they enjoy much affordable housing environment and very good employment opportunities. It is a heterogeneous environment.

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« Reply #15612 on: March 15, 2019, 04:31:57 AM »
Leaving aside the question of why you are so interested in American politics,

Before Trump's victory I wasn't that interested. Since the US is the most powerful country in the World, what happens there is talked about everywhere in the world. Trump triggred my interest: How did Hillary lost? I was clueless of Hillary's corruption and how hated she was. I was clueless about the corruption, especially with the Democrats which in Europe are seen as the "good guys." If I saw the US as a great nation before I knew better, now I see the US an utterly corrupted terrorist nation. In fact the worst terrorist nation followed by Israel and Saudi-Arabia. In comparison Russia doesn't seem that bad anymore. The US is the most powerful country in the World using English so I can understand the language and what Americans say. The US is in some respects very different from other "western developped countries" which is interesting in itself.


you know a lot, but you don't have context, so some aspects elude you. For what it's worth, there are U.S. citizens on this thread who strike me as more clueless than you are on many aspects of American Life.

Sure, there are a lot of things I don't know as I don't live in the US and I have been following the politics for about two and a half years more actively. However, they are merely details and what I think I do understand well is what has been happening in the US politics the last 4 years of so (the broader picture and trend of things). Outsiders like me have the benefit of seeing fast what's odd. The media in Finland is so different from what it is in the US. Sure, the right-wing media in Finland does smear the left, but it's VERY subtle compared to the US so that for me the smearing in the US is GIGANTIC when my eyes have been trained to detect 1000 times milder things. For me everything Fox News* hosts says is extremely devious. Even on "lefty" MSNBC devious things are said. In the US homophobic racists like Roy Moore almost win elections. In Finland mild racism from the mouth of a politician means there is hell to pay and some politicians have been fined for writing racistic things on social media.

*Recently I learned that Fox News was originally created to destroy the Democratic Party. Trying to do that they have almost destroyed the whole country... ...for Americans I really recommend following the lefty independent media. There are a lot of options and you can choose which it the least annoying  ;D Kyle Kulinski of Secular Talk has turned many conservatives into lefty progressives with his intellectual honesty and relentless repeat of the facts and how they support his views. He is my favorite, but there are many others too.

One thing to consider is that the national government in the U.S. is not as dominant as in many counties, especially smaller countries. The 50 states have a lot of control of their environment and things are very different depending on where you live.

I am aware of that. Massachusetts is very different from Alabama. Depending on the issue the states have the rights to decide themselves according to the Republicans.  ;D

Even Medicaid is a Federal/State program and is different in the various states. I'm in California, and it seems likely that California will have Universal Health care at some point in the not so distant future, even if it is not implemented nationally. But despite the fact that California is probably the most progressive state in the country, there are many things here that are more screwed up than almost anywhere else. For instance, primary schools here are widely underfunded, and extremely high housing costs have resulted in a crisis of homelessness. Texas has many problems, such as a very high rate of people with no health insurance, but they enjoy much affordable housing environment and very good employment opportunities. It is a heterogeneous environment.

I know about the school/housing problems in California because the lefties I follow talk about these issues. Due to money in politics and how the media favors corporate politicians the most progressive state keeps re-electing corrupted non-progressives like Nancy Pelosi and Dianne Feinstein.

I know Americans don't trust the government as much as Europeans do and for a good reason, but it's all corruption. If you remove the corruption (money in politics) and restore democracy you CAN trust the government. 
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #15613 on: March 15, 2019, 05:17:25 AM »
I am so frustrated about everything! On every FUCKING board..


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« Reply #15614 on: March 15, 2019, 05:48:09 AM »


I don't have a cat so nobody stopped me. Sorry about the meltdown, but my life has been crap.
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« Reply #15615 on: March 15, 2019, 06:08:26 AM »
I don't have a cat so nobody stopped me. Sorry about the meltdown, but my life has been crap.

I feel ya. And I understand your frustration. Don't let it take over your decency, it's not worth it.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #15616 on: March 15, 2019, 06:51:41 AM »

     Lindsey Graham: Don’t Make Mueller Report Public Without Setting Up Special Counsel to Probe Hillary’s Emails

     My advice to Dems is call his bluff and vote yes. Recommend that Hillary be investigated more more more on anything anyone wants to investigate her about. This poison pill has no actual poison in it. Whitewater! Benghazi! Uranium 1,2,3 to infinity!!
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« Reply #15617 on: March 15, 2019, 09:10:08 AM »
I feel ya. And I understand your frustration. Don't let it take over your decency, it's not worth it.

Thanks, I'm feeling better today. I need to learn not to get triggered by people like JBS.
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« Reply #15618 on: March 15, 2019, 09:17:18 AM »
Thanks, I'm feeling better today. I need to learn not to get triggered by people like JBS.

     I'm glad to hear you're feeling better. For the life of me, I don't know why.
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« Reply #15619 on: March 15, 2019, 09:18:12 AM »
     I'm glad to hear you're feeling better. For the life of me, I don't know why.

Don't know why he feels better, or don't know why you're glad?

 

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