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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErVqp7j3I9Y#t=5m44s

I love this movement sooooooooooo much.


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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 12:11:24 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErVqp7j3I9Y#t=5m44s

I love this movement sooooooooooo much.


I assume you've heard/seen the Barenboim masterclass with Jonathan Biss from about 10 years ago? it's one of the best masterclasses I've ever seen in part because of the contents and part because Biss is so good himself. if you haven't, find it asap. You will like it.
Offenbach gets a raw deal in recordings considering his talent! For a discussion of this outstanding composer too little recorded: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,5572.

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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2016, 03:04:32 AM »
I assume you've heard/seen the Barenboim masterclass with Jonathan Biss from about 10 years ago? it's one of the best masterclasses I've ever seen in part because of the contents and part because Biss is so good himself. if you haven't, find it asap. You will like it.

No, but I will most certainly check it out! I am absolutely obsessed with the opuses 109, 110, and 111 and I dig approachable (as I am not versed in music theory!) lectures on the late works. I saw snippits of Andras Schiff's lecture on the opus 111, and I was struck by the hilarious part where he strenuously objects to a certain famous section of the 2nd movement being referred to as the "boogie woogie"!  :D


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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2016, 03:42:15 AM »
I lost the files in a crash some time ago but I liked what I heard Schiff's lectures actually better than most of the two discs I bought from his series because I had found the letters so interesting. Don't remember what he said about op.109, though.
Maybe the lectures can still be downloaded somewhere.
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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2016, 03:49:18 AM »
I lost the files in a crash some time ago but I liked what I heard Schiff's lectures actually better than most of the two discs I bought from his series because I had found the letters so interesting. Don't remember what he said about op.109, though.
Maybe the lectures can still be downloaded somewhere.
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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2016, 05:37:04 AM »
No, but I will most certainly check it out! I am absolutely obsessed with the opuses 109, 110, and 111 and I dig approachable (as I am not versed in music theory!) lectures on the late works. I saw snippits of Andras Schiff's lecture on the opus 111, and I was struck by the hilarious part where he strenuously objects to a certain famous section of the 2nd movement being referred to as the "boogie woogie"!  :D


Oh, well you need to hear it then. He specifically discusses that movement. Found the start of it. #7, posted here, shows the performance. #8 and 9 (and 10?) show the discussion of it, changes, etc...
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/GeJoyCn6cGc" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/GeJoyCn6cGc</a>

Here is #8:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/OHgfuf-Nn-Q" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/OHgfuf-Nn-Q</a>
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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2016, 07:58:21 AM »
Maybe the lectures can still be downloaded somewhere.

You can download them here:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/classical/page/0,,1943867,00.html

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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2016, 02:10:07 PM »
I don't know which recordings you have of the last three PS but stand outs for me are Pollini in all three, Hess for 30 and 31 and Richter's Leipzig performance of Op 110.
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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2016, 02:53:42 PM »
"Now who taught ye t' be playin' patty fingers in the holy water?"

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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2017, 07:12:26 PM »
I lost the files in a crash some time ago but I liked what I heard Schiff's lectures actually better than most of the two discs I bought from his series because I had found the letters so interesting. Don't remember what he said about op.109, though.
Maybe the lectures can still be downloaded somewhere.

Schiff has declared the opus 109 finale as being his favorite LvB piano sonata movement since childhood.

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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2017, 06:34:02 AM »
They're all on Youtube.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/FTV9SYMGOXU" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/FTV9SYMGOXU</a>

Thanks so much, extremely interesting, fills in some gaps of what I knew about this sonata.
For every pianist, though, there is probably a different approach to the first movement, even extending to where to place the accents on the first theme. Schiff makes the notes on the beat almost upbeats to the upper ones but Richter for instance does the opposite. I like the way Schiff brings out inner voices and doesn' t always feature or bring out the top voices.
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Re: OH MY GOD THESE VARIATIONS FROM THE OPUS 109!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2017, 12:46:19 AM »
It is interesting to compare Richter in 1972 to 20 years later. I find them both masterful in their own right:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/e5kTffxNROM" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/e5kTffxNROM</a>

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