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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2017, 06:29:41 AM »
I didn't realize there even were 16 versions to choose from! Which is your favorite (or favorites)?

I am not very good at answering questions like this since I am not that picky.

I have the following recordings of the First Suite

Suite No 1 in E flat major \ Op 28/1, H105

Altissimo ALT63082 \ Windscapes: Saucedo, Broughton, Holst, Fuchs, Mackey, Shilkret, etc.
Lang, Larry H. \ Conductor
United States Air Force Academy Band \ Band

Chandos CHAN 9657 \ British Band Classics: Holst, Vaughn Williams
Reynish, Timothy \ Conductor
Royal Northern College of Music Wind Orchestra \ Band

EMI Classics 50999 4 40471 2 2 \ Holst Collection
Central Band of the Royal Air Force \ Band
Holst, Imogen \ Conductor

EMI Classics CDC 7 49608 2 \ British Music for Concert Band
Banks, Eric \ Conductor
Central Band of the Royal Air Force \ Band

Klavier K 11122 \ Time Pieces
Corporon, Eugene \ Conductor
North Texas Wind Symphony \ Band

Kosei KOCD-3503 \
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor
Tokyo Kosei Wind Orchestra \ Band

Mercury 289 462 960-2 \
Eastman Wind Ensemble \ Band
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor

Sony Classical SK 47198 \
Eastman Wind Ensemble \ Band \ Ensemble
Hunsberger, Donald \ Conductor

Summit dcd 343 \ Not so Rare Forms
Satterwhite, H. Dwight \ Conductor
University of Georgia Wind Symphony \ Band

Telarc CD-80038 \ Holst, Bach, Handel
Cleveland Symphonic Winds \ Band
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor

I have the following recordings of the Second Suite

Suite No 2 in F major \ Op 28/2, H106

Chandos CHAN 9657 \ British Band Classics: Holst, Vaughn Williams
Reynish, Timothy \ Conductor
Royal Northern College of Music Wind Orchestra \ Band

EMI Classics 50999 4 40471 2 2 \ Holst Collection
Central Band of the Royal Air Force \ Band
Holst, Imogen \ Conductor

EMI Classics CDC 7 49608 2 \ British Music for Concert Band
Banks, Eric \ Conductor
Suite No 2 in F major \ Op 28/2, H106 (Continued)
Central Band of the Royal Air Force \ Band

Kosei KOCD-3505 \
Gabriel, Arnald \ Conductor
Tokyo Kosei Wind Orchestra \ Band

Mercury 289 462 960-2 \
Eastman Wind Ensemble \ Band
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor

Telarc CD-80038 \ Holst, Bach, Handel
Cleveland Symphonic Winds \ Band
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor

Still I do not have every recording or these fine works.

I do not have the following records of the First Suite which are recommended by ArkiveMusic:

Wind Band Classics - Trendsetters - Music For Wind Band / Parker, Peabody Wind Ensemble
Label: Naxos   Catalog: 8572242 Release Date: 07/28/2009   Number of Discs: 1
Composer:  Paul Hindemith,  Gustav Holst,  Joseph Schwantner,  Percy Aldridge Grainger
Conductor:  Harlan Parker,  Harlan D. Parker
Orchestra/Ensemble:  Peabody Wind Ensemble

H. Robert Reynolds - The Retirement Concert, April 6, 2001
Label: Equilibrium   Catalog: 45 Release Date: 12/18/2001   Number of Discs: 2
Composer:  Gustav Holst,  William Bolcom,  Percy Aldridge Grainger,  Michael Daugherty  ... 
Performer:  David Lee Jackson,  Alexandra Zacharella,  Garrett Méndez
Conductor:  H. Robert Reynolds
Orchestra/Ensemble:  University of Michigan Symphony Band

I did find the above on YouTube and they are outstanding.

Some of these recordings are unfortunately out of print.

As far as I am concerned most of them are excellent. 

The only ones I would avoid are the recordings that are with the EMI Classics 50999 4 40471 2 2 \ Holst Collection, which is otherwise a fine box set.

The rest of them are excellent.  They are either a nine or a ten.

But if a person has to have the absolute best it would probably be the Telarc recording of Fennell with the Cleveland Symphonic Winds.

While doing the research for this post I found another recording of the Hindemith that I have to have.  It is on the recording of the First Suite which I do not have with the Peabody Wind Ensemble.  I am listening to it on You Tube while I am typing this.

A few week ago I attended a concert with the Marine Band.  The guest conductor was Gerard Schwartz.  Some of the music on the concert were the Persichetti Masquerade, Schuman New England Triptych, Hindemith Symphony in Bb and the Holst First Suite.  The performances blew me away!!!!!!!! Sometimes the Marine Band releases recordings of their concerts with guest conductors.


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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2017, 06:42:39 AM »
While doing the research for this post I found another recording of the Hindemith that I have to have.  It is on the recording of the First Suite which I do not have with the Peabody Wind Ensemble.  I am listening to it on You Tube while I am typing this.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/QgUkCB-G6Rc" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/QgUkCB-G6Rc</a>

And that Marine Band concert sounds like a blast!
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2017, 07:39:15 AM »
I don't own a recording of Carmina Burana.  I don't want a recording of Carmina Burana.
Hear Hear !!!
I MIGHT have one in one of the big boxes but it is NOT by intention.

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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2017, 10:47:01 AM »
To me, anything I have heard and don’t want is not a “gaping hole.”

I keep a list of things I want to explore. The most prominent things on it are mostly opera, chamber music, and British:

Too many operas to mention. I have some (mostly Verdi and Puccini in various big boxes), but not Don Giovanni, to give you an idea of where I am.

Haydn: String Quartets op.64,71,74
Mozart: most Violin Sonatas, last 4 String Quartets (Hoffmeister and Prussian), Piano Quartets, 3 of 6 String Quintets
Mendelssohn: Piano Trios, String Quartets except #2
Chopin: Piano Trio
Schumann: Piano Trio, Piano Quartet, Piano Quintet, plus a few of the solo piano works
Saint-Saëns: all (?) chamber music
Tchaikovsky: Souvenir de Florence
Dvorak: Piano Trio #3
Ravel: String Quartet

Elgar: Symphonies
Vaughan Williams: Symphonies

Nielsen: Symphonies 3,5,6
Schoenberg: Verklärte Nacht, Gurre-lieder
Prokofiev: Cello Symphony-Concerto, ballets beyond the Big 2

It seems like a long list, especially of piano trios and string quartets, but I guess it’s very short compared to all the stuff I do have.

There are other partial holes (I have only a few discs of Bach organ music, and about half of the Haydn symphonies) that I don’t feel the need to fill completely.
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2017, 10:53:02 AM »
To me, anything I have heard and don’t want is not a “gaping hole.”

cf. Carmina burana  8)
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2017, 11:01:40 AM »
I have very few recordings of Havergal Brian and Joly Braga Santos. These are holes I would be content to see gape wider.
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2017, 12:39:16 PM »
Richard Strauss.
Although I've just ordered my first ever recording of 'An Alpine Symphony'.
I have little Mozart or Schumann in my collection.
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2017, 12:45:37 PM »
Vaughan Williams: Symphonies

Nielsen: Symphonies 3,5,6
Schoenberg: Verklärte Nacht

That's not a gaping hole...that's a mile wide crater!  ;)

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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2017, 12:55:37 PM »
That's not a gaping hole...that's a mile wide crater!  ;)

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I currently own almost no Szell recordings.

He was my go to guy on vinyl. But now I have only what's in some of the big boxes.
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2017, 02:22:53 PM »
I currently own almost no Szell recordings.

He was my go to guy on vinyl. But now I have only what's in some of the big boxes.

Same here. Off the top of my head, some Walton, Bartok, Mozart concertos, Mahler I think, Beethoven/Fleisher, and a little more. On vinyl.

And also very little by Glass, Reich, Adams, BTW. Likewise, a conscious choice.
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2017, 04:03:32 PM »
I am not very good at answering questions like this since I am not that picky.

I have the following recordings of the First Suite

Suite No 1 in E flat major \ Op 28/1, H105

Altissimo ALT63082 \ Windscapes: Saucedo, Broughton, Holst, Fuchs, Mackey, Shilkret, etc.
Lang, Larry H. \ Conductor
United States Air Force Academy Band \ Band

Chandos CHAN 9657 \ British Band Classics: Holst, Vaughn Williams
Reynish, Timothy \ Conductor
Royal Northern College of Music Wind Orchestra \ Band

EMI Classics 50999 4 40471 2 2 \ Holst Collection
Central Band of the Royal Air Force \ Band
Holst, Imogen \ Conductor

EMI Classics CDC 7 49608 2 \ British Music for Concert Band
Banks, Eric \ Conductor
Central Band of the Royal Air Force \ Band

Klavier K 11122 \ Time Pieces
Corporon, Eugene \ Conductor
North Texas Wind Symphony \ Band

Kosei KOCD-3503 \
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor
Tokyo Kosei Wind Orchestra \ Band

Mercury 289 462 960-2 \
Eastman Wind Ensemble \ Band
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor

Sony Classical SK 47198 \
Eastman Wind Ensemble \ Band \ Ensemble
Hunsberger, Donald \ Conductor

Summit dcd 343 \ Not so Rare Forms
Satterwhite, H. Dwight \ Conductor
University of Georgia Wind Symphony \ Band

Telarc CD-80038 \ Holst, Bach, Handel
Cleveland Symphonic Winds \ Band
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor

I have the following recordings of the Second Suite

Suite No 2 in F major \ Op 28/2, H106

Chandos CHAN 9657 \ British Band Classics: Holst, Vaughn Williams
Reynish, Timothy \ Conductor
Royal Northern College of Music Wind Orchestra \ Band

EMI Classics 50999 4 40471 2 2 \ Holst Collection
Central Band of the Royal Air Force \ Band
Holst, Imogen \ Conductor

EMI Classics CDC 7 49608 2 \ British Music for Concert Band
Banks, Eric \ Conductor
Suite No 2 in F major \ Op 28/2, H106 (Continued)
Central Band of the Royal Air Force \ Band

Kosei KOCD-3505 \
Gabriel, Arnald \ Conductor
Tokyo Kosei Wind Orchestra \ Band

Mercury 289 462 960-2 \
Eastman Wind Ensemble \ Band
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor

Telarc CD-80038 \ Holst, Bach, Handel
Cleveland Symphonic Winds \ Band
Fennell, Frederick \ Conductor

Still I do not have every recording or these fine works.

I do not have the following records of the First Suite which are recommended by ArkiveMusic:

Wind Band Classics - Trendsetters - Music For Wind Band / Parker, Peabody Wind Ensemble
Label: Naxos   Catalog: 8572242 Release Date: 07/28/2009   Number of Discs: 1
Composer:  Paul Hindemith,  Gustav Holst,  Joseph Schwantner,  Percy Aldridge Grainger
Conductor:  Harlan Parker,  Harlan D. Parker
Orchestra/Ensemble:  Peabody Wind Ensemble

H. Robert Reynolds - The Retirement Concert, April 6, 2001
Label: Equilibrium   Catalog: 45 Release Date: 12/18/2001   Number of Discs: 2
Composer:  Gustav Holst,  William Bolcom,  Percy Aldridge Grainger,  Michael Daugherty  ... 
Performer:  David Lee Jackson,  Alexandra Zacharella,  Garrett Méndez
Conductor:  H. Robert Reynolds
Orchestra/Ensemble:  University of Michigan Symphony Band

I did find the above on YouTube and they are outstanding.

Some of these recordings are unfortunately out of print.

As far as I am concerned most of them are excellent. 

The only ones I would avoid are the recordings that are with the EMI Classics 50999 4 40471 2 2 \ Holst Collection, which is otherwise a fine box set.

The rest of them are excellent.  They are either a nine or a ten.

But if a person has to have the absolute best it would probably be the Telarc recording of Fennell with the Cleveland Symphonic Winds.

While doing the research for this post I found another recording of the Hindemith that I have to have.  It is on the recording of the First Suite which I do not have with the Peabody Wind Ensemble.  I am listening to it on You Tube while I am typing this.

A few week ago I attended a concert with the Marine Band.  The guest conductor was Gerard Schwartz.  Some of the music on the concert were the Persichetti Masquerade, Schuman New England Triptych, Hindemith Symphony in Bb and the Holst First Suite.  The performances blew me away!!!!!!!! Sometimes the Marine Band releases recordings of their concerts with guest conductors.


Wow! Some list. I have the Fennell, so I guess I'm good! :)

Sounds like a great concert.
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2017, 07:25:11 PM »
That's not a gaping hole...that's a mile wide crater!  ;)

An interesting selection! Those are not the ones that feel most urgent to me, except maybe the Schoenberg. I want to listen more to what I already have of Nielsen and RVW before I proceed with them.

Of the Prokofiev (ballets beyond the big 2), I realized I do have Sur le Borysthène (but it’s due for a relisten), and Le Pas d’Acier and L’Enfant Prodigue are en route, so I think that just leaves Chout and Stone Flower, which may not qualify as a “gaping hole.”

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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2017, 09:12:18 PM »
Like many here, I have no craters or gaping holes in my collection. Other than The Sea Symphony, the only other important one missing that I can think of are the sons of JS Bach, of which I only have 2 CPE and one JC recordings. But when given the choice of 5 CDs of his sons' music or one more version of the father's work, I'd take JSB any time.  ;D
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2017, 01:46:40 AM »
An interesting selection! Those are not the ones that feel most urgent to me, except maybe the Schoenberg. I want to listen more to what I already have of Nielsen and RVW before I proceed with them.

Of the Prokofiev (ballets beyond the big 2), I realized I do have Sur le Borysthène (but it’s due for a relisten), and Le Pas d’Acier and L’Enfant Prodigue are en route, so I think that just leaves Chout and Stone Flower, which may not qualify as a “gaping hole.”

I'll be interested in your report;  I do think The Tale of the Stone Flower a good deal better than reputation permits it.
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2017, 01:52:43 AM »
Too many operas to mention. I have some (mostly Verdi and Puccini in various big boxes), but not Don Giovanni,
This is probably the biggest crater.

But some of the following, I'd consider at least as huge craters as the missing Nielsen symphonies
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Mozart: most Violin Sonatas, last 4 String Quartets (Hoffmeister and Prussian), Piano Quartets, 3 of 6 String Quintets
Mendelssohn: Piano Trios, String Quartets except #2
Schumann: Piano Trio, Piano Quartet, Piano Quintet, plus a few of the solo piano works
Tchaikovsky: Souvenir de Florence
Dvorak: Piano Trio #3
Ravel: String Quartet

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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2017, 03:06:17 AM »
This is probably the biggest crater.

But some of the following, I'd consider at least as huge craters as the missing Nielsen symphonies
I consider Souvenir of Florence one of Tchaikovski's most charming works, the ballets not excepted.

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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2017, 05:31:40 AM »
I also consider "Souvenir de Florence" a piece worth knowing although not quite as central as the underlined ones  or as Tchaikovsky's piano trio (the ones I did not consider huge gaps like Saint-Saens I didn't quote at all).
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2017, 10:51:31 AM »
This is probably the biggest crater.

But some of the following, I'd consider at least as huge craters as the missing Nielsen symphonies

The ones you picked out are probably closer to the order that I will take, not that I set a plan in stone. Certainly the Mendelssohn (interesting that you underlined the trios but not the quartets) and Schumann. The Mozart chamber music looks glaring on paper, but I have so much else by him, chamber and otherwise. But I certainly want to at least hear those pieces.

The Dvořák was surprising to me since I do have a lot of his chamber music. Even so, there may be another omission or two. I need to check that.

I was mistaken about the Ravel quartet. I do have it. I may not have the Debussy quartet in my collection, but I’m pretty sure I’ve heard it.

EDIT, in case anyone cares: I have all of Dvořák’s major chamber works (and maybe all of his surviving chamber works) except the first 3 piano trios.
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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2017, 10:54:19 AM »
I'll be interested in your report;  I do think The Tale of the Stone Flower a good deal better than reputation permits it.

I’ll try to remember to say something. Can’t promise that my comments will be interesting, though. ;)

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Re: Gaping holes
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2017, 12:55:50 PM »
In the past 12 months a few holes were plugged in my collection:

- my first ever listening to Britten's Peter Grimes. Since then I've heard Billy Budd. Suggestions for further acquaintance are welcome !
- also by Britten: the War Requiem. I now have 4 versions. Funny that I have known Britten's string 4tets and Cello suites a decade or two before that.
- Mozart's Entführung entered my collection with a bang: 5 versions in quick succession. Love at first hearing. Prior to that I had never heard it beside the most famous arias.

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- in the realm of opera: only L'Orfeo from Monteverdi. No Il Ritorno, no L'Incoronazione. I'm biding my time. I just can't seem to decide on what approach would suit my taste.

- I have but one recording (for small orchestra) of The Art of Fugue. I find it dreary. I probably need a fix.

- Mozartwise, no Hoffmeister Quartet, no Prussians either. I used to have them on lp, never liked the Prussians. The guilt almost sent me in a depression  :(. I've always had the impression Mozart left his melodic genius in the closet when composing them  ???. No Idomeneo, no Clemenza di Tito either.

- I have a big EMI Maria Callas box. Buried in it are recordings of Rossini's Il Barbiere and Il Turco in Italia and, no doubt, a few more plums. I've never had them in my collection in 45 years. Thanks to the Met's indefatigable advocacy I know Il Barbiere almost inside out. Maybe I'm suffering from overexposure. But who knows ? With Trump's new budget maybe such goodies will disappear forever  ???.

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