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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #500 on: July 15, 2017, 03:44:18 AM »

I have one more recoding with DFD in the title role (Gardelli, 1970, with Souliotis as Lady and Ghiaurov as Banco) ... must be weird, but when that gorgeous Pavarotti "First Decade" box went cheap, I just had to get it and that "Macbeth" is in there. Guess Pavarotti doing MacDuff is the main interest there (at least for me).


Well Souliotis might just have the voice of a she-devil in this recording, but her Lady M is something of a disaster. The voice seems to have aged twenty years since her fantastic Abigaille, recorded just a few years earlier, opening up chasms rather than breaks between the registers, the top squally, the middle voice hollow and unsupported, the chest voice overused and forced. D F-D makes an interesting Macbeth, with a Lieder singer's attention to the text, but he never sounds idiomatically correct. The set's only real assets are Gardelli's conducting, Pavarotti's MacDuff and Ghiaurov's Banquo.

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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #501 on: July 15, 2017, 04:03:04 AM »
Well Souliotis might just have the voice of a she-devil in this recording, but her Lady M is something of a disaster. The voice seems to have aged twenty years since her fantastic Abigaille, recorded just a few years earlier, opening up chasms rather than breaks between the registers, the top squally, the middle voice hollow and unsupported, the chest voice overused and forced. D F-D makes an interesting Macbeth, with a Lieder singer's attention to the text, but he never sounds idiomatically correct. The sets only real assets are Gardelli's conducting, Pavarotti's MacDuff and Ghiaurov's Banquo.

Thanks again - not familiar with Souliotis at all so far, but that confirms what I've read about that recording of "Macbeth". What recording of "Nabucco" is she in? The mid sixties Vienna one with Gardelli? Or are there others?

The Abigailles I have: Callas in an early live recording, Rysanek again - these two not yet heard, I think -, Scotto, and Dimitrova... I guess the Sinopoli may be my favourite there, Scott with Muti is somewhat too old for the role as well. But it's been a few years since I played any recording of "Nabucco".
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #502 on: July 15, 2017, 04:21:23 AM »


Watching some of the live telecast of the Covent Garden Turandot led me seek out this recording today; one I haven't listened to in a long time, and it certainly justifies its reputation. I even found the Ping Pang Pong episodes less irritating than I usually do.

Sutherland seemed strange casting at the time (and she never sang the role on stage) but it's a casting decision that definitely paid off. Her diction is better here than it usually is, though she doesn't make as much of the text as Callas does. On the other hand, by the time Callas came to record the complete role in 1957, she couldn't disguise the strain the role made on her resources. (Too bad she didn't record it a few years earlier, when she recorded a stunningly secure, and subtly inflected version of In questa reggia for her Puccini recital.) Anyway for my money, Sutherland has much more vocal allure in the role than Nilsson, and surely Turandot has to have allure if one is to make any sense at all out of the plot.

Pavarotti is caught at his mid career best and Caballe sings beautifully, spinning out her fabulous pianissimi to glorious effect. If I'm absolutely honest, I prefer a slightly lighter voice in the role, like, say, Moffo, Freni or Scotto. Caballe sounds as if she could sing Turandot, which indeed she did, but there's no doubting her class. The rest of the cast is superb and Mehta conducts a splendidly dramatic and viscerally beautiful version of the score. On balance, it's probably still the best recording of the opera around.





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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #503 on: July 15, 2017, 04:25:02 AM »
Thanks again - not familiar with Souliotis at all so far, but that confirms what I've read about that recording of "Macbeth". What recording of "Nabucco" is she in? The mid sixties Vienna one with Gardelli? Or are there others?

The Abigailles I have: Callas in an early live recording, Rysanek again - these two not yet heard, I think -, Scotto, and Dimitrova... I guess the Sinopoli may be my favourite there, Scott with Muti is somewhat too old for the role as well. But it's been a few years since I played any recording of "Nabucco".

Yes, the Gardelli, which I still think is the best studio recording of Nabucco. Souliotis is absolutely thrilling, though her recklessness sends out warning signals, and indeed the voice didn't last. This is, hands down, the best thing she ever did n the studio, second only to Callas's glorious assumption of the role, which, as you know, is in absolutely dreadful sound. I wonder what it will sound like in the new Warner version. the Gardelli also benefits from Gobbi's superb Nabucco. It's a little late in his career to be sure, but he makes more of the role than anyone.

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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #504 on: July 15, 2017, 04:41:32 AM »
One would think that Sutherland's lyrical voice would suit better Liú rather than ruthless Turandot. But I have heard this recording and she freaking nails it.
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #505 on: July 15, 2017, 04:43:17 AM »
One would think that Sutherland's lyrical voice would suit better Liú rather than ruthless Turandot. But I have heard this recording and she freaking nails it.

More than one critic at the time thought that the pre-publicity was wrong and that Caballe was to be Turandot and Sutherland Liu.
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #506 on: July 15, 2017, 04:51:41 AM »
Yes, the Gardelli, which I still think is the best studio recording of Nabucco. Souliotis is absolutely thrilling, though her recklessness sends out warning signals, and indeed the voice didn't last. This is, hands down, the best thing she ever did n the studio, second only to Callas's glorious assumption of the role, which, as you know, is in absolutely dreadful sound. I wonder what it will sound like in the new Warner version. the Gardelli also benefits from Gobbi's superb Nabucco. It's a little late in his career to be sure, but he makes more of the role than anyone.

Okay, you have me curious ... just ordered the Gardelli "Nabucco"!
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #507 on: July 15, 2017, 05:08:51 AM »
Okay, you have me curious ... just ordered the Gardelli "Nabucco"!

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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #508 on: July 15, 2017, 05:25:55 AM »


Watching some of the live telecast of the Covent Garden Turandot led me seek out this recording today; one I haven't listened to in a long time, and it certainly justifies its reputation. I even found the Ping Pang Pong episodes less irritating than I usually do.

Sutherland seemed strange casting at the time (and she never sang the role on stage) but it's a casting decision that definitely paid off. Her diction is better here than it usually is, though she doesn't make as much of the text as Callas does. On the other hand, by the time Callas came to record the complete role in 1957, she couldn't disguise the strain the role made on her resources. (Too bad she didn't record it a few years earlier, when she recorded a stunningly secure, and subtly inflected version of In questa reggia for her Puccini recital.) Anyway for my money, Sutherland has much more vocal allure in the role than Nilsson, and surely Turandot has to have allure if one is to make any sense at all out of the plot.

Pavarotti is caught at his mid career best and Caballe sings beautifully, spinning out her fabulous pianissimi to glorious effect. If I'm absolutely honest, I prefer a slightly lighter voice in the role, like, say, Moffo, Freni or Scotto. Caballe sounds as if she could sing Turandot, which indeed she did, but there's no doubting her class. The rest of the cast is superb and Mehta conducts a splendidly dramatic and viscerally beautiful version of the score. On balance, it's probably still the best recording of the opera around.

My favorite Liu on record is Barbara Hendricks. She sings beautifully and meshes well with Domingo on that recording.
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #509 on: July 15, 2017, 05:45:26 AM »
My favorite Liu on record is Barbara Hendricks. She sings beautifully and meshes well with Domingo on that recording.

I heard Hendricks sing it in concert at the Barbican, and she had an appreciable success in a so-so evening, which included the original full-length Alfano ending. Sylvia Sass was a variable Turandot, though she was better here than at the other times I heard her live (Norma and Elisabetta in Don Carlo) and Franco Bonisolli a Calaf who played to the gallery. Unfortunately for him the gallery tittered every time he thrust his chest out expecting applause every time he hit a high note. His performance stays in the memory for all the wrong reasons whereas Hendricks's does for all the right ones. A shame that on disc Hendricks sings Liu to a Turandot who should have stuck to Liu.

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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #510 on: July 17, 2017, 11:18:25 AM »
Classical-Music article: their 15 operas ripe for rediscovery

http://www.classical-music.com/article/15-operas-ripe-rediscovery

Not really esoteric stuff: I have Rimsky Tsar Saltan, Lalo Le Roi dYs (dvd) and Offenbach Die Rheinnixen.  All 3 are great.
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #511 on: July 17, 2017, 11:18:51 AM »


In case anyone's interested, I've now written a full length review of this superb Covent Garden performance of La Traviata.

https://tsaraslondon.wordpress.com/2017/07/17/callass-covent-garden-traviata/
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #512 on: July 17, 2017, 11:38:31 AM »
And the sound ? The Guilini disc is "inaudible"
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #513 on: July 17, 2017, 12:03:26 PM »
And the sound ? The Guilini disc is "inaudible"

One of the best live Callas sets.

Actually the Giulini is pretty good on ArsVocalis. The EMI, like most of their live Callas sets, is awful.
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #514 on: July 17, 2017, 12:38:32 PM »
Excellent choice

Furthermore, I realized the Myto Callas "Nabucco" is on the shelves already (it's not even part of the cheapo EMI Callas Verdi Live set anyway). You must have mentioned that one before  ;)

Next up, in two weeks: "Les Contes d'Hoffmann" in Munich. I saw that very same production on TV with a more prominent line up before ... but am looking forward a lot to catching it live again! Not sure I'll have time to revisit any recordings before that.
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #515 on: July 20, 2017, 09:21:45 AM »
Next up, in two weeks: "Les Contes d'Hoffmann" in Munich. I saw that very same production on TV with a more prominent line up before ... but am looking forward a lot to catching it live again! Not sure I'll have time to revisit any recordings before that.

Yowzah! Just got the second mail noting about line-up changes for "Les Contes" - and now this one's great: Diana Damrau will sing Antonia/Giulietta/Stella. (The first one was that Nicolas Tčste will do half of the 17 male roles - don't know him, didn't know the initially announced singer either.)

https://www.staatsoper.de/stueckinfo/les-contes-dhoffmann/2017-07-27-19-00.html
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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #516 on: July 20, 2017, 09:46:03 AM »
Yowzah! Just got the second mail noting about line-up changes for "Les Contes" - and now this one's great: Diana Damrau will sing Antonia/Giulietta/Stella. (The first one was that Nicolas Tčste will do half of the 17 male roles - don't know him, didn't know the initially announced singer either.)

https://www.staatsoper.de/stueckinfo/les-contes-dhoffmann/2017-07-27-19-00.html

Interesting....Damrau will do all the roles on Thursday the 27th but another singer will do Olympia on Sunday the 30th.

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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #517 on: July 20, 2017, 09:53:49 AM »
Interesting....Damrau will do all the roles on Thursday the 27th but another singer will do Olympia on Sunday the 30th.

Well, in the mail I just got, it's announced that Damrau will do the three, and Olga Pudova will do Olympia - not making a difference between the dates. That would be quite unusual indeed ... and checking again, I see that's how it's listed for both dates, at least if you open the site in German. Either way, looking foward, this will be the first live music during the summer break (more to come end of August, including Gardiner and his forces doing "L'Orfeo" at Lucerne Festival).
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« Reply #518 on: July 20, 2017, 12:40:43 PM »
Well, in the mail I just got, it's announced that Damrau will do the three, and Olga Pudova will do Olympia - not making a difference between the dates. That would be quite unusual indeed ... and checking again, I see that's how it's listed for both dates, at least if you open the site in German. Either way, looking foward, this will be the first live music during the summer break (more to come end of August, including Gardiner and his forces doing "L'Orfeo" at Lucerne Festival).

That's a nice one.  Forty years ago the music department of my college put on L'Orfeo, with musicians untrained in HIP and on a budget most high school plays would consider measly---and they produced an impressive result. I can only imagine what a real production must be like.

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Re: What Opera Are You Listening to Now?
« Reply #519 on: July 20, 2017, 12:47:23 PM »
That's a nice one.  Forty years ago the music department of my college put on L'Orfeo, with musicians untrained in HIP and on a budget most high school plays would consider measly---and they produced an impressive result. I can only imagine what a real production must be like.

It won't be a real production (no proper opera at Lucerne Festival, I think ... or maybe there's something from the theatre that is shown as part of the festival, the way that regular stages sometimes take part in seasonal festivals, too - don't really know), just a concert performance - but nonetheless I look forward to it bigtime!
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