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Offline Florestan

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Music For or About Children and Childhood
« on: May 18, 2017, 01:32:59 AM »
Aside from the big names and their warhorses, what other works of this kind are worth checking out? Do you have any favorites (big names and their warhorses included, this time)?
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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2017, 04:43:06 AM »
Obviously among my favourites: Ravel's Ma mère l'Oye and L'enfant et les sortilèges. Schumann's Kinderszenen too. And Berlioz's L'enfance du Christ  0:)
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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2017, 05:01:14 AM »
Elgar Wand of Youth, Dream Children and Nursery Suite.


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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2017, 05:15:37 AM »
Aside from the big names and their warhorses, what other works of this kind are worth checking out? Do you have any favorites (big names and their warhorses included, this time)?
Assuming you mean the Prokofiev and Saint-Saens here (and not replicating what's already been said):
Tchaikovsky: Album pour enfants
Chaminade: Album pour enfants
Debussy: Children's Corner
Bizet: Jeux d'enfants

This album would be an ideal starting point for this sort of thing:

Offenbach gets a raw deal in recordings considering his talent! For a discussion of this outstanding composer too little recorded: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,5572.

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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2017, 05:40:08 AM »
Ligeti - Lontano (the opening and closing of "a window on long submerged dream worlds of childhood")
Stockhausen - Gesang der Jungling


But Kinderszenen is the first and greatest
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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2017, 05:51:45 AM »
Dallapiccola, Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera

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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2017, 09:31:04 AM »
Thank you all for the recs, will check them asap.

By big names I meant Schumann, Faure, Ravel, Prokofiev, Saint-Saens, maybe even Bizet and Tchaikovsky.

Heitor Villa-Lobos has two nice piano suites titled A prole do bebe (The baby's family).

There's also Mendelssohn's  Kinderstücke op. 72, Deodat de Severac's En vacances (premier recueil) and Le soldat de plomb --- I highly recommend them.

My all time favorites are Kinderszenen, Album fur de Jugend, Dolly, Jeux d'enfants (Bizet) and the above mentioned En vacances

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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2017, 09:45:14 AM »
Dallapiccola, Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera

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This is nice. It reminds me of Mompou's Musica callada.
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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2017, 09:45:48 AM »
Bartók, A Gyermekeknek, of course.
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2017, 09:48:51 AM »
Bartók, A Gyermekeknek, of course.

That should indeed be a beauty. Must check my Kocsis set soon.  8)
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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2017, 09:58:22 AM »
got this one recently.  Very nice


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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2017, 10:12:23 AM »
got this one recently.  Very nice


Wishlisted.

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and if you havent seen suzie tempelton anime on peter and the wolf, you must remedy this subito presto




Wow! Looks like something my 4-year son who is quite fond of anime might be interested in! Thanks a lot for that!
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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2017, 10:51:10 AM »
Is there an age "window" ?

My 6th Graders have heard Mozart's Waisenhausmesse (composed when he was 11 or 12) and excerpts from his opera Apollo et Hyacinthus.

How about the Franz Von Suppe' overtures, which appeared in a good number of classic cartoons?

You could of course visit the Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, and Walter Lantz cartoons of the 1930's, 1940's and early 1950's for all kinds of Classical Kids stuff!

But if you just want them to hear the music, people have put together medleys on YouTube:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/GrjxtNYhTCc" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/GrjxtNYhTCc</a>


<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/R7gNNA-GdsA" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/R7gNNA-GdsA</a>

And of course...Bugs Bunny as Leopold!!!

https://archive.org/details/LongHairedHare




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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2017, 10:58:50 AM »
My 6th Graders have heard Mozart's Waisenhausmesse (composed when he was 11 or 12) and excerpts from his opera Apollo et Hyacinthus.

This is music by, not for or about, a child.  ;D

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How about the Franz Von Suppe' overtures, which appeared in a good number of classic cartoons?

Were they written expressly for, or about, children?  ;D

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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2017, 12:11:42 PM »

Were they written expressly for, or about, children?  ;D


Well, as far as I know, the answer is yes for the Mozart works (the opera was for a school play, and the Mass was for the orphans and their new chapel, and apparently the music was sung at the premiere by a choir of orphans conducted by the 12-year old composer) and "sort of yes"  $:) for the latter, as a number of von Suppe overtures have found their way into children's cartoons. 0:)

Check out John Zorn's Cat o' Nine Tails, influenced by cartoon music:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/rLp_1xh34X0" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/rLp_1xh34X0</a>





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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2017, 12:46:13 PM »
a little darker, Dutilleux's Shadows of Time was written in memory of Anne Frank and other children lost in the Holocaust
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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2017, 12:55:54 PM »
a little darker, Dutilleux's Shadows of Time was written in memory of Anne Frank and other children lost in the Holocaust
Oh, that reminds me of Hans Krása's Brundibár - children's opera performed by the children in Theresienstadt.
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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2017, 01:40:58 PM »
Britten - lots of Britten (all of Britten?)
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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2017, 01:53:16 PM »
Britten - lots of Britten (all of Britten?)
The golden vanity is really a piece for children.  It is included in this CD which has Dutilleux carnet de bord also an easy choral work for children.  Thee Daniel-Lesur on this disk is an adaptation of folk songs.

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Re: Music For or About Children and Childhood
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2017, 02:00:47 PM »
Britten - lots of Britten (all of Britten?)


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