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UK Politics / Current Affairs
« on: June 18, 2017, 06:38:00 AM »
With the General Election done (if not dusted) and Brexit due to grind on, I thought a general thread for all things British political might be just the thing. Unfortunately it seems we live in interesting times...

Have at it.
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 06:46:46 AM »
For the benefit of non-Brits, here's a summary of the current situation (18 June 3.45 pm - it will probably be very different by 4.45)...


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/18/michael-gove-dup-getting-into-bed-sordid
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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2017, 06:53:45 AM »
With the General Election done (if not dusted) and Brexit due to grind on, I thought a general thread for all things British political might be just the thing. Unfortunately it seems we live in interesting times...

Have at it.

Yes. And including the maze that's the local government system(s).
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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2017, 07:18:10 AM »
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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2017, 08:21:08 AM »
Is this true ? A new brexit referendum before the end of the year ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-people-changed-minds-brexit-second-referendum-poll-finds-a7795591.html

Making predictions has become very risky, these are unpredictable and volatile times. However, this one opinion poll does demonstrate how much opinions have moved (and are moving) since the referendum. My only prediction on this would be if there was such a second referendum I doubt it would be before the end of this year (negotiation periods, time to set up the referendum, collapse of government etc etc...)
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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2017, 09:16:45 AM »
"Tory/DUP deal in doubt." Oh dear, what a surprise. Maybe the Queen's speech should be cancelled rather than postponed, perhaps till after the coming general election?
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2017, 09:27:47 AM »
"Tory/DUP deal in doubt." Oh dear, what a surprise. Maybe the Queen's speech should be cancelled rather than postponed, perhaps till after the coming general election?

I'll be amazed if there's no deal. "In doubt" probably just means the DUP are trying to extract an eye-watering price in return for their support. Though looking at the current state of UK politics, perhaps we could just try turning it off and on again. 

EDIT: Just seen the story about the legal challenge to any deal with the DUP. If that challenge succeeds it would nicely sum up the current shambles. Strong and stable.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2017, 12:29:41 AM »
I think the DUP need to be very careful here.  If they press too hard for extra money and concessions for the 6 counties, a point will come where the Conservative minority government will say, "Thanks, but no thanks."  They know that granting any extra funds will immediately get Carwyn Jones and Nicola Sturgeon shouting, "Us too!"  And there now appears the intriguing/depressing (depending on your allegiance) prospect of a Vince Cable-led Lib Dem party supporting the Tories - after all, Sir Vince has been in coalition with them already.  So it couldn't possibly match it, but a bit too much intransigence on Arlene Foster's part could come to look like a political misjudgment of a similar kind to Mrs May's calling the fateful election.
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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2017, 01:18:03 AM »
I'm no royalist but I'm guessing Liz has got a voodoo doll of the Maybot...


... and she's running out of pins... 💀💀💀💀💀
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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2017, 02:37:37 AM »
Whole thing is a shambles following on from Cameron's disastrous decision to hold the EU referendum (why not enfranchise the 16/17 year olds who will be the ones most affected by the result). Had he done so I reckon that we'd still be in the EU. May's election hubris ended in disaster for her. She can't last very long and then what? Boris?

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2017, 04:19:05 AM »
Today in Parliament. Quite funny too; the Queen in a surprising move:

https://twitter.com/tara_mulholland/status/877477634984300545

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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2017, 05:12:24 AM »

My daughter sent me this from the New Yorker. I think it's very funny:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-book-of-jeremy-corbyn

Most mirthful. And yea, the High Priestess called upon the ten beasts of darkness from across the waters to slay the devil known as Jeremy. They came from a Blessed Land which is very Young and free from weather witchery or, indeed, had ever seen dinosaurs. "We can save you," the ten beasts spoke as one to the Stable One, "for none of us are gay." And She was glad, because her heart is full of Righteous Hatred.
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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2017, 05:13:25 AM »
Today in Parliament. Quite funny too; the Queen in a surprising move:

https://twitter.com/tara_mulholland/status/877477634984300545

She could be impeached for that!
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2017, 05:16:37 AM »
She could be impeached for that!
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I actually wonder how much UK media are dealing critically with this example of Queenish creativity ... 
My guess would be ... not particularly much.

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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2017, 07:25:33 AM »
Today in Parliament. Quite funny too; the Queen in a surprising move:

https://twitter.com/tara_mulholland/status/877477634984300545
Are EU sure your majesty ?
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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2017, 02:12:04 PM »
Boris Johnson car-crash interview with Eddie Mair on BBC Radio 4 this afternoon:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-radio-4-eddie-mair-two-ronnies_uk_594aa62ce4b0a3a837bc61d5
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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 03:47:17 AM »
Monica Lake is among the 1800 UK citizen to apply for a french citizenship (2850 for germany) last year.  Holding her new passport, she declare with a very heavy british accent "Je suis très très décue, Theresa May entraine le pays vers une grande catastrophe".  Now I am french, she says, an this is the passport I will be using when I visit the UK.

 
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 04:31:47 AM »
Judging from the headlines yesterday, it seems that May is suggesting that EU citizens can stay for 5 years in the UK, generally with a status quo for them. It´s likely to result in some drain of inhabitants to the EU too, though a lot of them are coming from parts of Eastern Europe with somewhat strained living conditions, and they maybe decide to stay in the UK.

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Re: UK Politics / Current Affairs
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2017, 11:37:03 AM »
Chappatte is a fantastic swiss cartoonist who publishes in Le Temps
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« Reply #19 on: Today at 03:01:56 AM »
A warning to the rational.
This is what the DUP would like:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40384471
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