Author Topic: Film/Movie Discussion  (Read 3445 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Thatfabulousalien

  • Guest
Film/Movie Discussion
« on: July 10, 2017, 07:42:24 PM »
Let's start  8)
« Last Edit: July 10, 2017, 08:57:54 PM by α | ì Æ ñ »

Offline Marc

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3322
  • Sine Cerere et Bach friget Venus
Re: Film Discussion
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 08:07:06 PM »
Is this what it's all about?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054167/
Help support the GMG Classical Music Forum by purchasing from Amazon using this link, this link, or this link

Offline XB-70 Valkyrie

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 1598
Re: Film Discussion
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 08:53:39 PM »
I used to shoot almost exclusively Kodachrome 64 and 200 with my Olympus OM-2s film SLR back in the day, but I've been shooting digital for the last decade--currently with a Nikon D7200 as my main camera. Digital blows away 35mm film in just about every criterion including resolution, noise, high ISO performance, etc. (Yes, there was something special about Kodachrome)--to say nothing of the ease and low cost of post-processing. I used to use orthochromatic BW film for very high resolution TEM work. Developing those was fun, but they needed to be scanned. New TEMs should have comparable resolution, especially with auto-montage functions.
If you really dislike Bach you keep quiet about it! - Andras Schiff

Offline XB-70 Valkyrie

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 1598
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 09:26:07 PM »
OH, MOVIES! Now you tell me!  8)

For some reason, I actually have a really hard time watching movies, even though on one level I would like to. Sometimes I look on Netflix and Hulu and spend up to an hour looking through the offerings, but cannot decide on anything. Even my favorite films--e.g., 2001 A Space Odyssey, Blade Runner, La Dolce Vita, etc, I watch rarely. I cannot remember the last time I watched an entire film from beginning to end. Trainspotting was the last one I think--an excellent film, but difficult to watch in some parts. My wife and I don't share much in common in terms of movie interests, but I find it easier to watch something with her than alone--I guess I justify it in terms of good time spent together--we both love Fargo--that's one! TV is easier. WE both love Tony Bourdain's shows, Rick Steve's Europe, The Sopranos (which we are catching up on almost two decades later).

I guess I have a difficult time justifying the time investment given all my other interests, music listening, playing the piano, photography, writing--to say nothing of taking frequent walks, and making time for daydreaming.

I am interested in exploring more of Fellini and Werner Herzog. I have enormous respect for Herzog and think he sh1ts all over pretty much all the big names in Hollywood from a great height.

Another issue with me is that I have a difficult time following plots. My wife teases me over this--but Herzog said in his book that he does not understand irony, or even the concept, so I guess I'm no stranger in my lack of understanding of, or even interest in plots. I almost resent having to follow someone's story line or idea of what to make of things. My favorite films seem to have either a very minimal plot line (2001 A Space Odyssey), or are documentaries (e.g., Herzog's Encounters at the End of the World, or Death for Five Voices), or have such a ridiculous plot that it is totally beside the point (the Big Lebowski). Taxi Driver is one example. I really liked the film, cinematography, De Niro's acting, etc., but I don't understand the plot, especially the end.

Even when I was a kid, I was bored to tears by all the big blockbusters I was expected to worship and adore--Star Wars, Indiana Jones, E.T., Close Encounterszzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz.





« Last Edit: July 10, 2017, 09:43:15 PM by XB-70 Valkyrie »
If you really dislike Bach you keep quiet about it! - Andras Schiff

Offline springrite

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 6092
  • Location: Flying all over the place
  • Currently Listening to:
    Lots of Bach, Brian, Mahler, Rubbra, Beethoven and Buddhist chants
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 10:22:34 PM »
Last semester I taught a very successful class on screenplay writing.

Now it's time to finish my screenplay!
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

pjme

  • Guest
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 11:48:09 PM »

"a film script literally lodged into my brain that I need to get out at the moment"




 ;)


P.

Offline NikF

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3019
  • Location: Edinburgh/London.
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 11:52:10 PM »
Let's start  8)

Hmmm...

Is this what it's all about?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054167/

That's a good question. That's a good question indeed, Marc. And I like your suggestion. :)
Here's some other things I think it could be about (;))

Could be that it's simply about being at least 16 fps? And speaking of that...
Could be that it's about screwing young actresses on the casting couch?
Could be it's about living your whole movie going life is believing you're informed, but blissfully unaware of all the stuff like the animated spotlights in the 20th Century Fox logo are there to manipulate you before the feature even starts? (a la bench pressing 60% of your 1 rep max before getting down to the real work. But for your eyes. Yeah, exactly.) What chance have you got, really...


If you have even a modicum of integrity perhaps it's about creating something that you would create anyway even if you knew no one else would ever see it?   0:)


Or maybe it's about autists auteurs running around the Internet and screaming "I'm a filmmaker! Read my top 10 list of films! And although I know I can't even finish wiping my own arse unaided; Patreon, Kickstarter, GoFundMe!"


In the past it could have been about living your whole life with the discipline installed during teenage years courtesy of those 50ft offering a mere three minutes and 20 seconds?


I'm sure there are those who would say it's about stuff like this -

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KTZclj5hcg8" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/KTZclj5hcg8</a>

(And if you watch that scene while in a theatre, enjoy the little 'trick' that's put in place during the moment when she's walking back and forth.)


Then again, it could be about amateurs who are nothing more than everyday garden variety consumers desperately trying to be taken seriously and validate themselves via the products they buy. (cellphones, cars, shoes, trophy wives and anything else with a label.)

With that in mind, then it could be that it's cynically all about what's found in the old saying -
"Find a good site to sell popcorn and build a cinema there." How sad. :(

Or it's about content creators for YouTube who play at being artists including writing a bio of themselves in the third person. LMFAO.

In part it must at least be about the kind of symbolism inherent during the final scene of Hitchcock's 'North by Northwest' when a train drives into Eva Marie Saint or something.


But if forced, if pressed, if bundled into an alleyway and threatened by Viktor Shklovsky, I'd say it's all about this -


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/oqCQuiq6eOo" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/oqCQuiq6eOo</a>

Or


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/CUQvITehr34" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/CUQvITehr34</a>


Or

NSFW

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/2AOWWTilu6Q" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/2AOWWTilu6Q</a>


Or at least, it should be. :)


e:
"And two hard-boiled eggs."
*honk*
"Make that three hard boiled eggs".

« Last Edit: July 10, 2017, 11:54:41 PM by NikF »
“Tell me,” she finally whispered, “is it fun for you to torture me? I should really hate you. Ever since we've known each other, you've given me nothing but suffering.” Her voice trembled, she leaned toward me, lowered her head onto my chest. “Perhaps,” I thought, “this is exactly why you loved me."

Offline vandermolen

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 9935
  • Location: Rotherfield, East Sussex,
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 12:16:35 AM »
2001: A Space Odyssey was on TV here (UK) a couple of nights ago although you really need to see it in a wide-screen cinema. I saw it eight times in the cinema when it first came out when I was a tinsy child of 13.
Other favourites, leaving aside classic B&W cinema include:

Boorman's 'Excalibur'

Little Miss Sunshine

Also many war movies like 'Saving Private Ryan'

+ Many more.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

Offline ritter

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 4584
  • La création du monde (Fernand Léger)
  • Location: "La Villa y Corte"
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 12:39:56 AM »
Not really that much of a film man myself, but the single movie that has made the greatest impact on me ever is Michelangelo Antonioni's La Notte. I saw it as a teenager on TV, and was bowled over. I saw in it then (and much more so, now) the pinnacle of cinema as an art form. The visual beauty and "architecture" of the images, the detailed description of a social milieu with very economical narrative means, and the superb acting (particularly, Jeanne Moreau--that long scene where she wanders around half-empty Milanese neighbourhoods is simply stunning). An elusive work of intense beauty IMHO.

Even the opening credits, shot from Milan's Pirelli building, are a little gem in themselves:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/wM6j5AFv_hU" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/wM6j5AFv_hU</a>
Ritter
-------------------------------------------------------------
« Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté,
   Luxe, calme et volupté ».

Offline NikF

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3019
  • Location: Edinburgh/London.
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2017, 12:50:14 AM »
Not really that much of a film man myself, but the single movie that has made the greatest impact on me ever is Michelangelo Antonioni's La Notte. I saw it as a teenager on TV, and was bowled over. I saw in it then (and much more so, now) the pinnacle of cinema as an art form. The visual beauty and "architecture" of the images, the detailed description of a social milieu with very economical narrative means, and the superb acting (particularly, Jeanne Moreau--that long scene where she wanders around half-empty Milanese neighbourhoods is simply stunning). An elusive work of intense beauty IMHO.

Even the opening credits, shot from Milan's Pirelli building, are a little gem in themselves:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/wM6j5AFv_hU" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/wM6j5AFv_hU</a>

Good stuff, ritter:)
“Tell me,” she finally whispered, “is it fun for you to torture me? I should really hate you. Ever since we've known each other, you've given me nothing but suffering.” Her voice trembled, she leaned toward me, lowered her head onto my chest. “Perhaps,” I thought, “this is exactly why you loved me."

Offline Marc

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3322
  • Sine Cerere et Bach friget Venus
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2017, 12:55:15 AM »
OH, MOVIES! Now you tell me!  8)
[...]

:)

That's why I posted the imdb-link.

Am I the peeping Tom?
Or do I watch the works of other peeping Toms?
Help support the GMG Classical Music Forum by purchasing from Amazon using this link, this link, or this link

Offline mc ukrneal

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 8418
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2017, 01:09:18 AM »

I definitely agree and share quite a few things you say there, though I do lean towards Surreal/absurd and "abstract" (it's a stupid word for art, really) cinema.
2001, Lebowski, Fellini, Taxi Driver, all get the thumbs up from me. (I have a soft spot for the Indiana Jones trilogy but it's not something I really need to watch again, you know?)
Lean? Lean????? I think you've fallen way down the rabbit hole in this direction, based on your comments here and elsewhere. :)
Be kind to your fellow posters!!

Offline k a rl h e nn i ng

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 47235
  • Et quid amabo nisi quod ænigma est?
    • Henningmusick
  • Location: Boston, Mass.
  • Currently Listening to:
    Shostakovich, Frescobaldi, Stravinsky, JS Bach, Liszt, Chopin, Haydn, Henning
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2017, 01:18:17 AM »


[...] Even my favorite films--e.g., 2001 A Space Odyssey, Blade Runner, La Dolce Vita, etc, I watch rarely.

To be fair, those are indeed excellent films one would not return to frequently.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Offline XB-70 Valkyrie

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 1598
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2017, 06:10:34 PM »
« Last Edit: July 11, 2017, 06:12:40 PM by XB-70 Valkyrie »
If you really dislike Bach you keep quiet about it! - Andras Schiff

Offline k a rl h e nn i ng

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 47235
  • Et quid amabo nisi quod ænigma est?
    • Henningmusick
  • Location: Boston, Mass.
  • Currently Listening to:
    Shostakovich, Frescobaldi, Stravinsky, JS Bach, Liszt, Chopin, Haydn, Henning
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2017, 12:05:29 AM »
That's a huge image.  I'm not going to scroll back and forth just to be able read a paragraph.

Got it in text?  TIA
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

pjme

  • Guest
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2017, 01:17:36 AM »
"Learn to have thoughts"...., "Read, read, read, read....", "Break rules..." , "Show the world what this medium should be...Show us!"

http://www.openculture.com/2017/03/great-filmmakers-offer-advice-to-young-directors.html

Many directors who came of age in the sixties and seventies went the traditional route of film school, but one, Werner Herzog, took a bandit’s way into the craft, stealing a camera from the Munich Film School, feeling that he “had some sort of natural right for a camera, a tool to work with.”

Good luck!

« Last Edit: July 12, 2017, 01:20:10 AM by pjme »

Offline k a rl h e nn i ng

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 47235
  • Et quid amabo nisi quod ænigma est?
    • Henningmusick
  • Location: Boston, Mass.
  • Currently Listening to:
    Shostakovich, Frescobaldi, Stravinsky, JS Bach, Liszt, Chopin, Haydn, Henning
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2017, 01:36:46 AM »
Some sort of a natural right to steal . . . I dunno . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

pjme

  • Guest
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2017, 03:48:10 AM »
Maybe, for him, it was only "breaking the rules"? ???

This quote I found at Noam Kroll's blog:  http://www.noamkroll.com


Many directors today are like myself in that they often write, shoot and edit their own work, and this website is dedicated to helping filmmakers of all types gain a vast spectrum of knowledge in each aspect of the craft, so that they can become better storytellers.


P.

Offline snyprrr

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 10949
  • SQs, PQs, PQTs, PTs, VSs, Berlioz-Xenakis/Aperghis
  • Currently Listening to:
    Things that are crisp and spritely vs. things that are thick and creamy
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2017, 06:42:03 AM »
If I pursue film professionally  (not lame Hollywood though), "film-school" will absolutely NOT be where I take it. If I was to do that, I'd be better off giving $3,000 to some random person on the street.

No, simply starting off making projects and trying to either meet actors or people who would be good at acting, first off is the way to go. Produce a portfolio of really creative and imaginative short-films, maybe one day I could get a bigger budget. But there are plenty of projects I could do once I get a team and some decent gear.  8)

I went to film school.


Yep.


Now look at me :(


'Disco Ninja Lesbian Vampires' 




... four years ago I was gonna play the gorilla in the halloween scary house thing... and I was gonna apply for 'Human Centipede 3' (which actually got made, I think, lol)...



I once sat next to Forry Ackerman at a screening of 'Dracula vs Frankenstein'







Getting rope now... looking for a cross bar...





 :( :( :(
 :( :( :(
 :( :( :(





sigh
Rat Poison is 99% Good Food, so Follow the Money

Haydn-Sikh

Offline k a rl h e nn i ng

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 47235
  • Et quid amabo nisi quod ænigma est?
    • Henningmusick
  • Location: Boston, Mass.
  • Currently Listening to:
    Shostakovich, Frescobaldi, Stravinsky, JS Bach, Liszt, Chopin, Haydn, Henning
Re: Film/Movie Discussion
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2017, 06:58:45 AM »


I went to film school.


Yep.


Now look at me :(


'Disco Ninja Lesbian Vampires'


Your best work IMO.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot