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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2017, 04:02:50 PM »
There are some things in those statistics, when you dig into them, that are questionable (Bach St John's Passion?) and some that are downright bad (Beethoven's 9th symphony, Schubert's Winterreise?!?!).

Having said that, all the biggest numbers do seem to be legitimate.
Interesting that St John is so much higher than St Matthew. 26 & 14 productions of each on the record - considering that they are Easter staples, I can easily accept that there were that many staged productions of each. Same with The Messiah and Christmas. 29 different staged Winterreise productions, not so much.
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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2017, 08:02:18 AM »
nodogen’s post set my thoughts to wondering . . . just which 10 would these be?  I was going to ask, Well, what about [name of opera]?, and I second-guessed myself—is (e.g.) The Magic Flute really as well-loved as I was supposing?

Here are my guesses:

  • Aïda
  • Rigoletto
  • Il trovatore
  • Carmen
  • Norma
  • La traviata
  • La Bohème
  • Le nozze di Figaro
  • Tosca
  • Die Fledermaus

Is Norma a "loved" opera and if so, by whom?

After just finishing the "Keeper of the Seal" (title bestowed upon Puccini by Verdi, inheritor of the mantle of Italian song), I got more of a heads-up on what makes an opera popular. It's quite simple, actually, the possibility of identifying with the main characters, which is what you don't really get with gods and goddesses. According to the cited poll, Madame Butterfly is up there in the top ten, and not Norma, probably because of that very reason.

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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2017, 08:10:03 AM »
Is Norma a "loved" opera and if so, by whom?
Yes. Me.
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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2017, 08:11:30 AM »
Yes. Me.

Me too, but I rate La Sonnambula higher. It's on my top 5. :)
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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2017, 08:13:26 AM »
Me too, but I rate La Sonnambula higher. It's on my top 5. :)
It's not my 'most' loved opera, but in general, I have come to love much of Bellini.
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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2017, 08:19:02 AM »
Yes. Me.


I tend to think that musicians would appreciate Norma more than the general public.
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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2017, 08:21:05 AM »
It's not my 'most' loved opera, but in general, I have come to love much of Bellini.

One of my favorites opera composers.  8)
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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2017, 08:24:00 AM »
It's not my 'most' loved opera, but in general, I have come to love much of Bellini.

Add to the list of composers, Donizetti. Out of his 70 operas, many of them were hits then and never lost their popularity.
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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2017, 08:24:43 AM »
Interesting that St John is so much higher than St Matthew. 26 & 14 productions of each on the record - considering that they are Easter staples, I can easily accept that there were that many staged productions of each. Same with The Messiah and Christmas. 29 different staged Winterreise productions, not so much.

I doubt that they mean actual stagings. I have heard about stagings of the passions (also balletts) but they are fairly rare. I have never heard about a staging of the Xmas oratorio or Beethoven's 9th. Therefore I believe that they counted also unstaged performances that simply took place in a theater or opera house and therefore appeared on the schedules they used for their statistics.
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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2017, 08:47:08 AM »
I doubt that they mean actual stagings. I have heard about stagings of the passions (also balletts) but they are fairly rare. I have never heard about a staging of the Xmas oratorio or Beethoven's 9th. Therefore I believe that they counted also unstaged performances that simply took place in a theater or opera house and therefore appeared on the schedules they used for their statistics.
Yes, the venue being an opera/theater must be why they're included.
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Re: Just Which Are the “10 Most-Loved Operas”?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2017, 09:43:01 AM »
It's not my 'most' loved opera, but in general, I have come to love much of Bellini.
Bellini is great.  I Puritani is my favorite.  I am about to get I Cappuletti & Montaigu and I Pirata.  For this latter one, there is Callas version which is cut so bad it feels like chopped meat, the version of Cabbale (with minor cuts) and the opera rara which is complete but isnt artistically in the same league.
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