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Offline Pat B

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Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2017, 08:51:23 PM »
I had never before heard The Rite of Spring. I am not sure (totally) whether I like it, but it is arresting - impressive - stunningly original - though why they rioted, I still can't imagine. Maybe the suggestiveness of the dancing, maybe something febrile in the atmosphere, maybe just a good excuse for a rammy.

Supposedly it was the unconventional choreography more than the music.

To me, the music initially seemed sort of cacophonous. You may have liked it more than I did at first. But it grew on me in a big way, so you may want to give it a few more spins, as the mood strikes.

Glad to see your continuing reports!

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« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2017, 11:32:44 PM »
Thank you, Mirror Image & Pat B. :)

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« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2017, 05:31:04 AM »
Thank you, Mirror Image & Pat B. :)

You’re quite welcome!
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« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2017, 11:38:51 PM »
Off the top of my head, these are essential works that haven't been mentioned yet:

Webern - Symphony op 21
Bartok - Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta
Stravinsky - Agon
Varese - Ameriques
Stockhausen - Gruppen
Xenakis - Jonchaies
Ligeti - Atmospheres
Penderecki - Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima


Hope you enjoy them, it provides a great contrast to many of the examples cited thus far too  8)

'Great contrast' - absolutely right!
Thanks for suggesting this list, α | ì Æ ñ.
It was very interesting to listen, and I'm glad to have done so, but to be honest, this sort of music turns out not to be my cup of tea.

I enjoyed and quite liked the Webern - was bored by the Bartok - could hardly stand listening to the Stockhausen :) - and admired the clever artistry of the Xenakis, Ligeti and Penderecki, but didn't enjoy the uneasiness they induced in me.

It all helps to give me a 'mind-map' of classical music - where it's been, and where it's going. Thanks again!
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« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2017, 12:00:08 AM »
One of the great things about "classical" is that often composers write very different kinds of works (often over a life's changes in outlook). For example the unease of that Ligeti piece....listen to this short piece by Ligeti, it's a hoot!

<a href="https://youtu.be/txMWXvD8kL4" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtu.be/txMWXvD8kL4</a>

Of course, this means one might need to check out several pieces by a composer!!

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« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2017, 12:37:55 AM »
One of the great things about "classical" is that often composers write very different kinds of works (often over a life's changes in outlook). For example the unease of that Ligeti piece....listen to this short piece by Ligeti, it's a hoot!

Of course, this means one might need to check out several pieces by a composer!!

You are right, of course. :)
I have just listened to Ligeti's Six Bagatelles (once I'd found it!!!) and this piece was playful and exuberant in a way that I found much more 'up my street'.
Thank you, nodogen.


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« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2017, 12:43:07 AM »
You are right, of course. :)
I have just listened to Ligeti's Six Bagatelles, and they were playful and exuberant in a way that I found much more 'up my street'.
Thank you, nodogen.

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« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2017, 02:23:09 AM »
- was bored by the Bartok -

Aiyee!  It grieves my soul when someone finds Bartók boring!  (I am not angry, Rosalba, only hurt  8) )

I wanted to find a video of someone playing, but I found either the performance boring, or the performer too . . . showy.  So, this is just a performance which I like very well (and the score passing by . . . .)

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« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2017, 03:20:18 AM »
Another Bartók 101 suggestion: the Rhapsodies.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/KuGjucuowho" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/KuGjucuowho</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/0rn0iC60j-0" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/0rn0iC60j-0</a>


And, dammit, I can't imagine anyone not enjoying the Romanian Folk Dances.
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« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2017, 03:26:00 AM »
Aiyee!  It grieves my soul when someone finds Bartók boring!  (I am not angry, Rosalba, only hurt  8) )

I wanted to find a video of someone playing, but I found either the performance boring, or the performer too . . . showy.  So, this is just a performance which I like very well (and the score passing by . . . .)

Oh sorry!
Of course, I didn't mean that I found the whole of Bartok boring, just that particular one ('Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta').

I thought that it would be better & more interesting for you knowledgeable lot if a Newby gave their honest opinion, that's all. :)

I am listening to the one you posted, Piano Sonata, Sz. 80, at the moment, and I like it - certainly not boring.

Aha - I see some fresh Bartok has arrived while I've been posting - thanks, North Star!
Will a subscription to the Bartok Fan Club Annual Ball repair the damage? 8)


 

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« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2017, 03:44:42 AM »
Oh sorry!
Of course, I didn't mean that I found the whole of Bartok boring, just that particular one ('Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta').

I thought that it would be better & more interesting for you knowledgeable lot if a Newby gave their honest opinion, that's all. :)

Of course!  and I was not really sore.  I know that a piece which you find boring today, you may listen to it again 10 years later, and you may find you love it.  Doth not the appetite alter?
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« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2017, 04:41:00 AM »

I thought that it would be better & more interesting for you knowledgeable lot if a Newby gave their honest opinion, that's all. :)


Of course! Your opinion is as "valid" as anyone else's IMO, whatever one's knowledge level. My level is still on the ground floor of the knowledge building, and once I reach the revolving restaurant at the top I will still hate opera. 😈

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« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2017, 04:47:39 AM »
Of course! Your opinion is as "valid" as anyone else's IMO

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« Reply #73 on: March 11, 2018, 12:50:30 PM »
Sorry I've not been on for a while - I've had some personal issues. I hope to get back to listening to your recommendations later this year.
Hope you're all getting on well. xx

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« Reply #74 on: March 11, 2018, 03:05:16 PM »
Good to see you again!
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« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2018, 08:28:38 PM »
So an avant garde composer in the course of their education would have to work through all this music from hundreds of years previously; analyse, compose and play in those styles - and to make it all the way through to a professional qualification would presumably have to like a fair bit of it?

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« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2018, 03:59:55 AM »
So an avant garde composer in the course of their education would have to work through all this music from hundreds of years previously; analyse, compose and play in those styles - and to make it all the way through to a professional qualification would presumably have to like a fair bit of it?

Consider my response speculative (that is, I am not in a position to answer with authority).

I don't know that he would be compelled to like any of it.  In my experience, a good of semi-involuntary affection buds just through the experience.

But, it has certainly been the traditional view, that a professional awareness of the musical past is a precondition for doing one's work, today.

Is it an absolute?  Probably not.  There are fewer artistic absolutes, in reality, than my teachers were wont to claim.
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« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2018, 04:44:33 AM »
Thanks Karl, it's good to get a reply from someone who's been through the educational system. It does make sense to build on what's been done in the past and I suppose there would be at least an academic interest in studying the structure of different pieces of music.

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« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2018, 08:29:35 AM »
All you need to know :D

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I took a music appreciation course so long ago that the text came with LPs.  I thoroughly enjoyed the course.  The text was Music, An Appreciation, and there are lots of old editions of this or similar books around.  Add a subscription to Spotify and you have access to any music in reasonable fidelity.  Or just search Youtube.
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« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2018, 08:31:07 AM »
All you need to know :D

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