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Offline Mahlerian

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Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2017, 08:49:50 AM »
I didn't bother listening to Bolero as I know it well already - used to love it but have gone off it somewhat. Of the rest, there are quite a few I already knew, but who could object to listening to Messiah again? It remains wonderful no matter how many times. Ditto Swan Lake & 'Moonlight'.

Some things which I hadn't heard before - yes, blushing now - surprised me. I really loved the Schumann, and enjoyed the Debussy.

I had never before heard The Rite of Spring. I am not sure (totally) whether I like it, but it is arresting - impressive - stunningly original - though why they rioted, I still can't imagine. Maybe the suggestiveness of the dancing, maybe something febrile in the atmosphere, maybe just a good excuse for a rammy.

Thank you very much, Mahlerian, for taking this trouble on my behalf.

I have already listened to Karl's post, #2, and very enjoyable it was. Now for North Star and Spineur (rubs hands with glee...) :)

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« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2017, 08:54:34 AM »
Have just finished listening to the Pletnev.
Wow - WOW!
It's 'dazzling' indeed - so clever, and such depth.

Thanks, North Star.
I enjoyed all these - thank you, North Star.
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Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2017, 05:47:39 PM »
As someone fairly new to classical music who can be easily embarrassed by my ignorance, I'm wondering whether any of you seasoned listeners could provide a list of a dozen classical pieces that everyone is 'expected' to know?

All help is gratefully received. Thank you.

I’ll try and give a list, but please be aware that I only pursue music I’m interested in, so my list will pertain to works that I believe most listeners, myself excluded ( ;) ), should know and I’ll limit my list to 15 works (in no particular order):

Bach: Partitas for Solo Violin (all of them --- I believe there’s three of them)
Mozart: Requiem
Haydn: Die Schöpfung (The Creation)
Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 (Choral)
Schubert: Winterreise
Mendelssohn: The Hebrides - Overture
Schumann: Piano Concerto
Brahms: Ein Deutsches Requiem
Mahler: Rückert-Lieder
Debussy: Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune (Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun)
Ravel: Bolero
Stravinsky: The Firebird
Janáček: In the Mists
Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet Suite (you’ll know when you’re ready to hear the complete ballet)
Copland: Appalachian Spring
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« Reply #63 on: September 08, 2017, 09:51:23 PM »
I had never before heard The Rite of Spring. I am not sure (totally) whether I like it, but it is arresting - impressive - stunningly original - though why they rioted, I still can't imagine. Maybe the suggestiveness of the dancing, maybe something febrile in the atmosphere, maybe just a good excuse for a rammy.

Supposedly it was the unconventional choreography more than the music.

To me, the music initially seemed sort of cacophonous. You may have liked it more than I did at first. But it grew on me in a big way, so you may want to give it a few more spins, as the mood strikes.

Glad to see your continuing reports!

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« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2017, 12:32:44 AM »
Thank you, Mirror Image & Pat B. :)
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« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2017, 06:31:04 AM »
Thank you, Mirror Image & Pat B. :)

You’re quite welcome!
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« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2017, 12:38:51 AM »
Off the top of my head, these are essential works that haven't been mentioned yet:

Webern - Symphony op 21
Bartok - Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta
Stravinsky - Agon
Varese - Ameriques
Stockhausen - Gruppen
Xenakis - Jonchaies
Ligeti - Atmospheres
Penderecki - Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima


Hope you enjoy them, it provides a great contrast to many of the examples cited thus far too  8)

'Great contrast' - absolutely right!
Thanks for suggesting this list, α | ì Æ ñ.
It was very interesting to listen, and I'm glad to have done so, but to be honest, this sort of music turns out not to be my cup of tea.

I enjoyed and quite liked the Webern - was bored by the Bartok - could hardly stand listening to the Stockhausen :) - and admired the clever artistry of the Xenakis, Ligeti and Penderecki, but didn't enjoy the uneasiness they induced in me.

It all helps to give me a 'mind-map' of classical music - where it's been, and where it's going. Thanks again!
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« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2017, 01:00:08 AM »
One of the great things about "classical" is that often composers write very different kinds of works (often over a life's changes in outlook). For example the unease of that Ligeti piece....listen to this short piece by Ligeti, it's a hoot!

<a href="https://youtu.be/txMWXvD8kL4" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://youtu.be/txMWXvD8kL4</a>

Of course, this means one might need to check out several pieces by a composer!!

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« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2017, 01:37:55 AM »
One of the great things about "classical" is that often composers write very different kinds of works (often over a life's changes in outlook). For example the unease of that Ligeti piece....listen to this short piece by Ligeti, it's a hoot!

Of course, this means one might need to check out several pieces by a composer!!

You are right, of course. :)
I have just listened to Ligeti's Six Bagatelles (once I'd found it!!!) and this piece was playful and exuberant in a way that I found much more 'up my street'.
Thank you, nodogen.

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« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2017, 01:43:07 AM »
You are right, of course. :)
I have just listened to Ligeti's Six Bagatelles, and they were playful and exuberant in a way that I found much more 'up my street'.
Thank you, nodogen.

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Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2017, 03:23:09 AM »
- was bored by the Bartok -

Aiyee!  It grieves my soul when someone finds Bartók boring!  (I am not angry, Rosalba, only hurt  8) )

I wanted to find a video of someone playing, but I found either the performance boring, or the performer too . . . showy.  So, this is just a performance which I like very well (and the score passing by . . . .)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/lpIlo8tGbSo" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/lpIlo8tGbSo</a>
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« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2017, 04:20:18 AM »
Another Bartók 101 suggestion: the Rhapsodies.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/KuGjucuowho" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/KuGjucuowho</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/0rn0iC60j-0" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/0rn0iC60j-0</a>


And, dammit, I can't imagine anyone not enjoying the Romanian Folk Dances.
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« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2017, 04:26:00 AM »
Aiyee!  It grieves my soul when someone finds Bartók boring!  (I am not angry, Rosalba, only hurt  8) )

I wanted to find a video of someone playing, but I found either the performance boring, or the performer too . . . showy.  So, this is just a performance which I like very well (and the score passing by . . . .)

Oh sorry!
Of course, I didn't mean that I found the whole of Bartok boring, just that particular one ('Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta').

I thought that it would be better & more interesting for you knowledgeable lot if a Newby gave their honest opinion, that's all. :)

I am listening to the one you posted, Piano Sonata, Sz. 80, at the moment, and I like it - certainly not boring.

Aha - I see some fresh Bartok has arrived while I've been posting - thanks, North Star!
Will a subscription to the Bartok Fan Club Annual Ball repair the damage? 8)


 
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Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2017, 04:44:42 AM »
Oh sorry!
Of course, I didn't mean that I found the whole of Bartok boring, just that particular one ('Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta').

I thought that it would be better & more interesting for you knowledgeable lot if a Newby gave their honest opinion, that's all. :)

Of course!  and I was not really sore.  I know that a piece which you find boring today, you may listen to it again 10 years later, and you may find you love it.  Doth not the appetite alter?
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« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2017, 05:41:00 AM »

I thought that it would be better & more interesting for you knowledgeable lot if a Newby gave their honest opinion, that's all. :)


Of course! Your opinion is as "valid" as anyone else's IMO, whatever one's knowledge level. My level is still on the ground floor of the knowledge building, and once I reach the revolving restaurant at the top I will still hate opera. 😈

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Re: Newbies' Blush List Dozen
« Reply #75 on: September 13, 2017, 05:47:39 AM »
Of course! Your opinion is as "valid" as anyone else's IMO

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