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Leo Ornstein (1893-2002)
« on: August 31, 2017, 08:06:09 AM »
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2017, 06:10:25 PM »
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2017, 06:11:54 AM »
I stumbled across his name in a Naxos catalogue a while ago, and had to double-check his lifespan. That's extraordinary! Can't be too many people, let alone composers, whose life spans three centuries.

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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2017, 06:48:25 AM »
Wow, you're making my job soooo hard!! I try to quell the jealousy over your coups!! Ack, and I coulda had Ornstein!! :laugh:


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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2017, 06:49:18 AM »
Ornstein's Porn Stain?


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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2017, 06:54:54 AM »
Hmm, an Ornstein piano quintet, eh?
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2017, 11:10:56 AM »
Or would it be "Ornstein's Submarine"?

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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2017, 01:25:20 AM »
semi-complete works list:

     Orchestral
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 Evening Song of the Cossack, chbr orch, op.14 no.1, 1923
 Piano Conc., 1923
 Lysistrata Suite, 1930
 Nocturne and Dance of the Fates, c1937

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 Sonata, op.31, violin, piano, c1915
 3 Russian Impressions, violin, piano, Op.37, 1916
 Sonata, op.26, violin, piano, c1918
 Composition Nr.1, cello, piano
 2 Sonatas, op.52, cello, piano, c1918 - c1920
 Piano Quintet, 1927
 2 Cello Pieces, Op.33, early 20th century
 String Quartet no.1, op.28, c1929
 String Quartet no.2, op.99, c1929
 String Quartet no.3, 1976
 6 Preludes, cello, piano, 1931
 Nocturne for Clarinet & Piano, 1952
 Ballade for Saxophone & Piano, 1955
 Allegro (Intermezzo), flute, piano, 1959
 Fantasy Pieces, viola, piano, 1972
 Hebraic Fantasy, violin, piano, 1975
 3 Pieces: Prelude-Intermezzo-Poem, flute, piano, 1979
 Ballade for Bb Clarinet
 Waltz for Violin & Piano
 Violin Sonata Nr.3, 2009

   Piano (solo unless otherwise stated)
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 6 Lyric Fancies, op.10, 1911
 A Paris Street Scene at Night, op.4 no.3, 1912
 Suicide in an Airplane, c1913
 Pièce, pf 4 hands, op.19 no.1, 1913
 Wild Men's Dance (Danse sauvage), op.13 no.2, c1913
 3 Preludes, op.20, c1914
 Suite russe, op.12, c1914
 Three Moods, 1914
 Cossack Impressions, op.14, c1914
 Impressions de la Tamise, op.13 no.1, 1914
 Impressions de Notre Dame, op.16 nos.1–2, 1914
 Dwarf Suite, op.11, c1915
 A la Chinoise, op.39, c1918
 Poems of 1917, op.41, 1918 [after W. Frank]
 Serenade, op.5 nos.1–2, 1918A la Mexicana, op.35, c1920
 Arabesques, op.42, c1920
 6 Watercolors, op.80, c1921
 2 Improvisations, pf 4 hands, op.95, 1921
 Nocturnes nos.1–2, c1922
 Sonata no.4, c1924
 2 Lyric Pieces, c1924
 15 Waltzes and 42 numbered pieces, 1950–72
 Tarantelle diabolique, 1960
 5 Intermezzi, 1965–8
 3 Landscapes, 1968
 A Morning in the Woods, 1971
 Some New York Scenes, 1971
 Biography in Sonata Form, 1974
 Burlesca, 1976Impromptu no.1 (Epitaph), no.2 (A Bit of Nostalgia), 1976
 A Dream almost Forgotten, 1978
 An Autumn Fantasy, 1978
 Barbaro, 1978
 5 pieces, 1978
 Just a Fun Piece, 1978
 The Recruit and the Bugler, 1978
 A Small Carnival, 1978
 Valse diabolique, 1978
 A Reverie, 1979
 Chromatic Dance, 1980
 Sonata no.6, c1981
 The Deserted Garden, 1981
 2 Legends, 1982, Sonata no.7, 1988
 Sonata no.8, 1990
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2017, 02:49:57 AM »
I stumbled across his name in a Naxos catalogue a while ago, and had to double-check his lifespan. That's extraordinary! Can't be too many people, let alone composers, whose life spans three centuries.

I discovered Leo Ornstein many decades ago: another marvelous creation of Eastern European Jewry, and chased away by the ungentle Gentiles around him, Ornstein  became an enigma, a sensationalist who eventually tired of sensations, an "ultra-modernist" whose music could be as Romantic as Rachmaninov's, as proven by one of his last works:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/TPnyct6P52A" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/TPnyct6P52A</a>
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2017, 06:04:25 AM »
Or would it be "Ornstein's Submarine"?

something like that... is it "stine" or "steen"? "Frankensteen" :laugh:
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2017, 08:55:50 AM »
I discovered Leo Ornstein many decades ago: another marvelous creation of Eastern European Jewry, and chased away by the ungentle Gentiles around him, Ornstein  became an enigma, a sensationalist who eventually tired of sensations, an "ultra-modernist" whose music could be as Romantic as Rachmaninov's, as proven by one of his last works:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/TPnyct6P52A" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/TPnyct6P52A</a>

Nice, thanks for sharing.

something like that... is it "stine" or "steen"? "Frankensteen" :laugh:

I always thought it was "stine"... ???
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2017, 09:25:07 AM »

I always thought it was "stine"... ???


It is: "ei" in German is always a long "i" (eye) sound, despite what one might hear in Noo Yawk City!   ;)
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2017, 01:03:22 AM »
Ornstein:  Music for wild men!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/Ii3oEVz1rVg" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/Ii3oEVz1rVg</a>

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Allegro barbaro!

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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2017, 05:48:51 AM »
I discovered Leo Ornstein many decades ago: another marvelous creation of Eastern European Jewry, and chased away by the ungentle Gentiles around him, Ornstein  became an enigma, a sensationalist who eventually tired of sensations, an "ultra-modernist" whose music could be as Romantic as Rachmaninov's, as proven by one of his last works:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/TPnyct6P52A" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/TPnyct6P52A</a>

Very nice!
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2017, 05:55:08 AM »
Ornstein:  Music for wild men!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/Ii3oEVz1rVg" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/Ii3oEVz1rVg</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/3Qi6pnb7hRQ" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/3Qi6pnb7hRQ</a>

Allegro barbaro!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/ijhDi-PDfLk" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/ijhDi-PDfLk</a>

P.

All real wild men love Allegro Barbaro !   8)
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2017, 06:31:42 AM »
 :)

I can easily melt away on the sounds of gentle music (from a Mediaeval complainte to RVW, Debussy...) , but a regular dose of "danse sauvage & barbaric onslaught" keeps me alert and equally happy. I have no recordings (yet) of music by Ornstein, but I'll gladly add him to my collection of "wild composers" - Mossolov, Jolivet, Ruggles et al.

Possibly a strict teacher could have disciplined him a bit, but the sheer exuberance of this music is already a joyous gift. And, yes, he can be as sweet as Rachmaninov.

P.
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2017, 07:03:54 AM »
1893-2002, methinks.

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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2017, 07:10:54 AM »
It is: "ei" in German is always a long "i" (eye) sound, despite what one might hear in Noo Yawk City!   ;)

Some people still say "Bernstein" as "Bernsteen" but at least it should rhyme with "Ornstein".
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Re: Leo Ornstein (1895-2002)
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2017, 07:30:55 AM »
I just listened to this, shades of Reflets dans l'eau by Debussy:

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Re: Leo Ornstein (1893-2002)
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2017, 10:08:50 AM »
Ornstein's two cello sonatas are among the finest in the genre and deserve to be part of the standard cello repertoire. The First a deeply emotional work that recalls Bloch, Scriabin, and Rachmaninoff. Its slow movement is particularly powerful as is the "fading into the abyss" ending. The Second is a lighter, more impressionistic work with a ravishingly beautiful opening.

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