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« Reply #620 on: November 11, 2017, 08:42:18 AM »
He has a very dark complexion. My first guess was that he was egyptian, but this clue seems to point to a latin american origin.

This very post has a clue within itself.
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« Reply #621 on: November 11, 2017, 09:45:41 AM »
He looks like Alberto Ginastera.

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« Reply #622 on: November 11, 2017, 09:49:47 AM »
Ginastera was white, this guy is obviously dark-skinned.
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« Reply #623 on: November 11, 2017, 09:54:10 AM »
This very post has a clue within itself.

Referring to his « very dark complexion » ? Or his « egyptian » looks ? Unless it’s the latin american origins ?? I don’t feel we have made great strides toward a positive identification, here  :laugh:

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« Reply #624 on: November 11, 2017, 10:37:56 AM »
Given that nobody but you heard about IM and nobody but me heard about EOyR, I'd say they are equally famous, in any case much less than Rudolf Tobias, about whom no less than two people have heard.  :laugh:

I knew about Montemezzi years ago, because of The Love of Three Kings, although I probably have never heard it (just checked--the Metropolitan Opera seems to have last performed it in 1941).  But there is a relatively modern recording of it, and a general audience is far more likely to have heard of him than to have heard of Tobias, Ocon, or  the Chavez disciple currently under consideration.

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« Reply #625 on: November 11, 2017, 05:57:05 PM »
He looks like Alberto Ginastera.

Nope. Not Ginastera.
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« Reply #626 on: November 11, 2017, 05:59:46 PM »
Referring to his « very dark complexion » ? Or his « egyptian » looks ? Unless it’s the latin american origins ?? I don’t feel we have made great strides toward a positive identification, here  :laugh:

Hmmm...an Egyptian that studied with Chavez and Copland...umm...no. Unless the Aztecs have something to do with the Egyptians...hmmm. :)
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« Reply #627 on: November 12, 2017, 07:43:51 AM »
Looks like I’ve got the crew stumped yet again. :) This is great to witness.
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« Reply #628 on: November 12, 2017, 07:52:57 AM »
Looks like I’ve got the crew stumped yet again. :) This is great to witness.

It's the easiest thing in the world, actually. Look up for a list of composers from a specific region / country, pick one of the most obscure names, preferably one whose music has never been recorded (which, if Amazon.com is any indication, is precisely the case with your guy --- yes, I've googled him!  ;D ), and there! --- you stump everyone.

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« Reply #629 on: November 12, 2017, 07:58:12 AM »
It's the easiest thing in the world, actually. Look up for a list of composers from a specific region / country, pick one of the most obscure names, preferably one whose music has never been recorded (which, if Amazon.com is any indication, is precisely the case with your guy --- yes, I've googled him!  ;D ), and there! --- you stump everyone.

But you wouldn’t have known who the composer is if you hadn’t looked him up, so therefore, you would be stumped and could only offer a guess, which you would, most definitely, have been wrong.

Actually, this particular composer was featured in a box set on Brilliant Classics and he’s not as obscure as Amazon would have you believe. Just because a composer doesn’t have many recordings doesn’t automatically mean they’re unknown.
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« Reply #630 on: November 12, 2017, 08:07:30 AM »
But you wouldn’t have known who the composer is if you hadn’t looked him up, so therefore, you would be stumped and could only offer a guess, which you would, most definitely, have been wrong.

Precisely, and this brings me to a point I've made several times: how can one *guess* someone whose very existence one ignores completely?

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Just because a composer doesn’t have many recordings doesn’t automatically mean they’re unknown.

Had it not been for that particular recording would you have known him? Have you ever guessed somebody whom you didn't know beforehand without extensive research on Google? (I'm not talking about googling the picture, mind you!)
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« Reply #631 on: November 12, 2017, 12:35:07 PM »
Nope. Not Ginastera.

But there is an indirect connection between the mystery man and a relatively well known work by Ginastera.

The mystery man is as well known as Ocon and Tobias, imo.

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« Reply #632 on: November 13, 2017, 01:27:21 AM »
Blas GALINDO Dimas?

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« Reply #633 on: November 13, 2017, 07:05:50 AM »
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« Reply #634 on: November 13, 2017, 07:07:14 AM »
The obscurest of the obscure unknown composers... ::)

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« Reply #636 on: November 13, 2017, 07:22:36 AM »

Can we proceed WITHOUT e-trickstery like Google Image ???  :'(

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« Reply #637 on: November 13, 2017, 07:26:01 AM »
Can we proceed WITHOUT e-trickstery like Google Image ???  :'(

You can proceed any way you wish.

My point is that the picture John provided is apparently not Galindo but Ayala.

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« Reply #638 on: November 13, 2017, 07:35:53 AM »
You can proceed any way you wish.

My point is that the picture John provided is apparently not Galindo but Ayala.
Look at the bright side of things: compared to this, even Rudolf Tobias would seem to enjoy mega-star status.  ::)

I also googled the image (and immediately stopped playing, of course, as I couldn't even provide any worthwhile clues) and the result was not Galindo, but Ayala. But then the man in the picture you provided for Galindo, Andrei, could well be the man in the picture that John gave us. They wear very similar glasses, and perhaps he just stopped dying his hair  :D

Galindo is in that Brilliant Classics box set of Mexican music John gave as a clue. Ayala, IIRC, is not...

All very, very confusing... ???
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« Reply #639 on: November 13, 2017, 07:40:07 AM »
Look at the bright side of things: compared to this, even Rudolf Tobias would seem to enjoy mega-star status.  ::)

 :laugh:

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I also googled the image (and immediately stopped playing, of course, as I couldn't even provide any worthwhile clues)

There's absolutely nothing wrong with googling the image, as long as one doesn't post the name of the composer pretending one guessed him --- and nobody here did that.

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and the result was not Galindo, but Ayala. But then the man in the picture you provided for Galindo, Andrei, could well be the man in the picture that John gave us. They wear very similar glasses, and perhaps he just stopped dying his hair  :D

Galindo is in that Brilliant Classics box set of Mexican music John gave as a clue. Ayala, IIRC, is not...

I have that box myself and checked immediately after John alluded to it, not for Galindo but for Ayala.

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All very, very confusing... ???

This is what happens when one picks obscure names, not even Google can sort them out properly...  ;D
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