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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2017, 12:15:53 PM »
Any recommendations/warnings for Eschenbach on DG?
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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2017, 12:18:22 PM »
What do you guys think of Siegbert Rampe playing Mozart on a variety of period keyboards?

I have all 12 disks in that set. IIRC, you said earlier you had worn out the novelty of period keyboards. If that is indeed the case, this is period to the max, and I simply can't see you enjoying it.

His choices of what keyboard to use are sometimes strange. Even some of the later pieces get the clavichord or harpsichord, for example, while I don't believe Mozart played anything other than a fortepiano after he moved to Vienna in 1781. While that might sound nitpicky, if Rampe is emulating Mozart's actual practice, then he should be sticking with historical accuracy.

However, it IS a lot of music, and well-played, and it includes works you won't find elsewhere like the London Sketchbook works complete (sometimes 2 versions on different instruments) and also keyboard reductions of other works.

I like it, glad I have it, but feel it is the sort of thing only a specialist could love, and a specialist is going to pick it apart pretty hard too... :D

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2017, 12:21:23 PM »
Any recommendations/warnings for Eschenbach on DG?

I liked it for a few years when it was my only 'modern' set other than Klien on Vox. I like Eschenbach's playing, and the sound was good. I got that DG "Collector's Edition" box when it was a brand new release. Don't know what is out there today. :-\

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2017, 12:25:21 PM »
Any recommendations/warnings for Eschenbach on DG?

I had posted earlier that Eschenbach was my first set, on LP, and I wore it out.  At the time it was the only one I had heard and liked it alot.  It is still one I listen to, but there are better complete sets.

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2017, 12:28:13 PM »
I have all 12 disks in that set. IIRC, you said earlier you had worn out the novelty of period keyboards. If that is indeed the case, this is period to the max, and I simply can't see you enjoying it.

His choices of what keyboard to use are sometimes strange. Even some of the later pieces get the clavichord or harpsichord, for example, while I don't believe Mozart played anything other than a fortepiano after he moved to Vienna in 1781. While that might sound nitpicky, if Rampe is emulating Mozart's actual practice, then he should be sticking with historical accuracy.

However, it IS a lot of music, and well-played, and it includes works you won't find elsewhere like the London Sketchbook works complete (sometimes 2 versions on different instruments) and also keyboard reductions of other works.

I like it, glad I have it, but feel it is the sort of thing only a specialist could love, and a specialist is going to pick it apart pretty hard too... :D

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Yeah, I am not listening much to my many period keyboard discs here lately.  But, after a while I will probably get the hankering again.  Thanks for the information; it is a lot of music - probably "more complete" than other complete boxes.

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2017, 12:45:41 PM »
I liked it for a few years when it was my only 'modern' set other than Klien on Vox. I like Eschenbach's playing, and the sound was good. I got that DG "Collector's Edition" box when it was a brand new release. Don't know what is out there today. :-\

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2017, 12:46:10 PM »
I had posted earlier that Eschenbach was my first set, on LP, and I wore it out.  At the time it was the only one I had heard and liked it alot.  It is still one I listen to, but there are better complete sets.

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2017, 01:09:12 PM »
Any recommendations/warnings for Eschenbach on DG?

I like what I have heard of his set (about three discs), enough so that if I was going to buy another, his would be it.
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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2017, 02:06:05 PM »
;D

On topic: I love Mozart, but his piano sonatas do not interest me as much as, f.i. his piano concertos, or string quartets/quintets, or opera's.
I should listen to more fortepiano stuff, I guess, because I only know Bart van Oort, whose cycle I like btw.
Other favourites are Pires (Denon/Brilliant preferably), Zacharias (EMI) and Engel (Teldec).

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2017, 02:23:55 PM »
Any examples?
Outside of piano there was Julian Bream on the lute, playing it as if it were a guitar (in fact his lute was hardly a traditional lute anyway). To me, even though it is wonderful music making, it seems either a bit fraudulent, a gimmick, or trying to capitalise off the popularity of historical performance practice without really making an effort to research and understand it.

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2017, 04:03:52 PM »
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I should listen to more fortepiano stuff, I guess, because I only know Bart van Oort, whose cycle I like btw.
Other favourites are Pires (Denon/Brilliant preferably)
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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2017, 05:18:53 PM »
Oort is definitely quite solid as a complete set. Other fortepiano recs apart from Bezuidenhout, Levin, Schiff, Immerseel & PBS mentioned above: Malcolm Bilson and Linda Nicholson. (I have never heard Lubimov or Brautigam.)

Re the Eschenbach set: I disliked it, but now don't remember why. Actually I don't remember anything about it to be honest. May just have found it boring >.>
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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2017, 06:26:11 PM »
Any thoughts on the Bezuidenhout set on Harmonia Mundi?  Sadly, I don't think it's available as a box set, which makes it near-prohibitively expensive.  Still, curious on opinions.  What little of it I've heard (the Vol. 4 disk), I like quite a lot.

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2017, 04:08:13 AM »
Any thoughts on the Bezuidenhout set on Harmonia Mundi?  Sadly, I don't think it's available as a box set, which makes it near-prohibitively expensive.  Still, curious on opinions.  What little of it I've heard (the Vol. 4 disk), I like quite a lot.

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In my book a fine counterpart for the fortright and sometimes almost harsh Rampe.

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2017, 05:17:19 AM »
I also like Brendel in Mozart sonatas.  He never fully completed rhe cycle nor were his cds edited in a box.  He brings out a slightly darker Mozart, less serene with more anxiety.

I dont reach for it as often as other sets, but I like it nevertheless.
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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2017, 04:20:32 AM »
It's gorgeous and elegant ... and outstanding.

In my book a fine counterpart for the fortright and sometimes almost harsh Rampe.

Other favourites:

Gould
Pires (Denon, but DG ain't half bad)
Kraus (Erato)

Further mention:

de Larrocha
Say (not so sure yet ... may grow)
Gulda

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2017, 04:24:03 AM »
Thank you; much appreciated!

And I forgot one more HIP one that I like: Malcolm Bilson - guess he's somewhere in between Rampe and Bezuidenhout. Either way, all three have their own view of things and they can stand next to each other without problems.

As for why I like those cycles ... all too often not quite sure myself, but I liked the above explanation for Gould: because nobody else does it like he does it (and I guess you could add: there's nothing else in music that quite compares).
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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2017, 04:24:47 AM »
Bezuidenhout is very stylish and urbane—"concert" Mozart, for a large and appreciative audience. He traverses all the keyboard works not just sonatas, as well, which reveals lots of very high quality music often left out of complete sets. The closest comparison among modern instrument performers would be Claudio Arrau (M&A) or Vladimir Horowitz.

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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2017, 04:26:29 AM »
It's gorgeous and elegant ... and outstanding.

In my book a fine counterpart for the fortright and sometimes almost harsh Rampe.

Other favourites:

Gould
Pires (Denon, but DG ain't half bad)
Kraus (Erato)

Further mention:

de Larrocha
Say (not so sure yet ... may grow)
Gulda

Since this is the "your preference and why" thread, can I ask for the why on Gould's Mozart sonatas?
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Re: Mozart: Piano Sonatas: Your preference and why?
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2017, 04:34:36 AM »
Since this is the "your preference and why" thread, can I ask for the why on Gould's Mozart sonatas?

I was wondering the same thing ...

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