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Unrecorded (or underrecorded) works
« on: October 30, 2017, 08:57:24 PM »
The usual plea: please excuse if this topic has been done before.

There are, of course, many composers whose entire oeuvre has been recorded: The three B's, Haydn, and Mahler come to mind. (Of course in Mahler's case the body of work is not very large.)

Then there are other first-rank composers whose every work may have been recorded, I'm not sure: Dvořák, Sibelius, Schumann. (And Schubert? Mendelssohn? or Prokofiev, or Shostakovich?)

And then there are other composers, maybe not of the first rank but who are certainly and firmly established, whose every work definitely has not been recorded: Saint-Saëns, for instance. Or Martinů (would love to see a box set dedicated to him).

But even among those whose work has been thoroughly covered, to say nothing of those whose work has not, there are little out-of-the-way works that seldom appear on recordings. For more obscure composers, of course, there may be major works (relative to the composer's body of work) that have only been graced with one or two recordings.

So: my question is, what little-known work(s), or never-recorded work(s), of any given composer would you like to see recorded (or recorded more)?

I realize that if there is a work that has never been recorded, you may well ask how you'd know if you would like to hear a recording of it or not. In those cases I mean some work you may have seen in score form (for those who read music well) or possibly read about in a book or a contemporary review.

My own answer is Joly Braga Santos' Fourth Symphony. I love this work. I believe it's been recorded a couple of times; I have the Cassuto recording. Nothing wrong with it, as far as I can hear, but I would like to hear another, modern account of it. A nice JBS symphony cycle by a top conductor and orchestra would be wonderful.

Now it's your turn. :) What work(s) would you like to hear recorded, again or for the first time?
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Re: Unrecorded (or underrecorded) works
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 09:21:03 AM »
Here is a similar thread that with content that will be of interest.

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,20485.msg628275.html#msg628275

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Re: Unrecorded (or underrecorded) works
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 09:28:00 AM »
We had similar threads in the past, but no problem in starting a new one as far as I'm concerned:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,21770.0.html

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,20485.0.html

My wishes remain unfulfilled  :(, and my list therefore hasn't changed much:
I'd really want to see these operas recorded:

- Roger Sessions: Montezuma
- Alberto Ginastera: Don Rodrigo, Beatrix Cenci and Bomarzo (the latter was available on LP on CBS, but only transferred to CD in a limited release by the Argentine consulate in Miami--with rather sloppy production standards  >:( ) - EDIT: The original cast cast recording of Bomarzo has now been transferred to CD by Sony.
- Manuel de Falla/Ernesto Halffter: Atlántida (both the pioneering Frühbeck and the later Edmon Colomer recordings are long OOP, and the work deserves wider recognition and a modern version)
- Heitor Villa-Lobos: Yerma.
- Ernst Krenek: Das Leben des Orest, Pallas Athene weint
- Vincent d'Indy: Fervaal. His L'Etranger (available from Accord) was a bit of a letdown--a sort of poor man's Parsifal, with rather tacky mysticism--but I still would want to get to know this (apparently) more ambitious work
- Reynaldo Hahn: Le Marchand de Venise (a mid-70's performance from the Palais Garnier under Rosenthal is available from a "live opera specialist" in Italy  ::) , but in poor sound and with annoying radio commentary at some moments).
- Henri Pousseur: Votre Faust (again, there was a LP of this available, but it was never transferred to CD).
- Deodat de Sévérac: Heliogabale.

...Another work that needs a recording is Gaspare Sponitini's Agnes von Hohenstaufen. There's bootleg recordings by Vittorio Gui (early 50s) and Riccardo Muti (1970 IIRC), both from the Maggio Musicale Fiorentino, but in Italian translation. And Fernand Cortez by the same composer would be nice to see as well. The only studio recording (in the original French,  on the Accord label) is long OOP and prohibitively expensive (second-hand from MP sellers).

Finally, a live recording of Alberto Ginastera's Turbae ad Passionem Gregorianam from Trinity Wall Street had been announced for last year (the centennial of the composer's birth), but has not yet materialized.  >:(
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Re: Unrecorded (or underrecorded) works
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 10:27:24 AM »
There is still a ton of Offenbach to record!
Offenbach gets a raw deal in recordings considering his talent! For a discussion of this outstanding composer too little recorded: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,5572.

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 10:31:38 AM »
I'd like to hear Taneyev string quartets an Malipiero symphonies in recordings far better than the inadequate recordings currently available on the Naxos Label.

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Re: Unrecorded (or underrecorded) works
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 10:33:52 AM »
I'd like to hear Taneyev string quartets an Malipiero symphonies in recordings far better than the inadequate recordings currently available on the Naxos Label.

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Re: Unrecorded (or underrecorded) works
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2017, 11:30:35 AM »
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- Reynaldo Hahn: Le Marchand de Venise (a mid-70's performance from the Palais Garnier under Rosenthal is available from a "live opera specialist" in Italy  ::) , but in poor sound and with annoying radio commentary at some moments).

A couple of years back there was a production of this opera at the opera de Saint Etienne, one of the smaller lyric opera house in France.  I missed it.  I have checked last year and this year, it has'nt come back yet.  Here are two critics of the 2015 production.

https://www.forumopera.com/le-marchand-de-venise-saint-etienne-post-ciboulette-et-pre-shoah

https://www.opera-online.com/columns/manu34000/le-marchand-de-venise-de-reynaldo-hahn-a-lopera-theatre-de-saint-etienne
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Re: Unrecorded (or underrecorded) works
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2017, 11:59:00 AM »
A rather obvious candidate was mentioned in one of the older threads:

- Bloch's string quartets. There is no complete recording in print, even less a good and recent one.
- Taneyev's chamber music could also be served better on disc.

I am not quite sure that Joseph Haydn's entire oeuvre has been recorded. There are certainly parts of it where it is difficult to get a recording even if one exists and was available at some stage.
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Re: Unrecorded (or underrecorded) works
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 01:18:31 PM »
A rather obvious candidate was mentioned in one of the older threads:

- Bloch's string quartets. There is no complete recording in print, even less a good and recent one.

https://www.laurelrecord.com/catalog3.html

The Pro Arte Quartet performances are very good, though No. 5 does seem to be a mono recording in concert.  We do seem well overdue for some new recordings.




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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 02:39:06 PM »
The music of Horatio Radulescu. Much of which has not been recorded or even published but simply existing as manuscripts. Probably a good time for musicians to really make an effort to publish and perform his music so that such a huge quantity of fantastic stuff isn't lost. Here is a good article about the current situation with his music.

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 06:03:56 PM »
The music of Horatio Radulescu. Much of which has not been recorded or even published but simply existing as manuscripts. Probably a good time for musicians to really make an effort to publish and perform his music so that such a huge quantity of fantastic stuff isn't lost. Here is a good article about the current situation with his music.
Yes, this is pretty important.

Also: much less significant as a project, but I'd like to see some enterprising performers take on and record:
- the string quartets of James Dillon (& more of his music, if possible)
- the symphonies/orchestral work of Chris Dench
- the orchestral music of Brian Ferneyhough
- the solo piano music of Theodor Kirchner
- maybe some Walter Smetak since they seem to have originals/reconstructions of some of his instruments?
- the string quartets of Egon Wellesz
- some more music by Christophe Bertrand
- some more music by James Weeks
- some more music by Ole-Henrik Moe
- some more music by José Maceda
- various large-scale works by Luciano Berio that are either unrecorded or unavailable on CD
- any more Roland Kayn that may be laying around unreleased

Also it would be nice if someone went through George Enescu's manuscripts and like, found any more surviving compositions from his mature period (eg does the Piano Sonata No. 2 exist?) and then recorded them. Maybe Pascal Bentoiu can do that now that he's done orchestrating the 4th and 5th symphonies, which was nice of him.

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2017, 06:12:33 PM »
Yes, this is pretty important.

Also: much less significant as a project, but I'd like to see some enterprising performers take on and record:
- the string quartets of James Dillon (& more of his music, if possible)
- the symphonies/orchestral work of Chris Dench
- the orchestral music of Brian Ferneyhough
- the solo piano music of Theodor Kirchner
- maybe some Walter Smetak since they seem to have originals/reconstructions of some of his instruments?
- the string quartets of Egon Wellesz
- some more music by Christophe Bertrand
- some more music by James Weeks
- some more music by Ole-Henrik Moe
- some more music by José Maceda
- various large-scale works by Luciano Berio that are either unrecorded or unavailable on CD
- any more Roland Kayn that may be laying around unreleased

Also it would be nice if someone went through George Enescu's manuscripts and like, found any more surviving compositions from his mature period (eg does the Piano Sonata No. 2 exist?) and then recorded them. Maybe Pascal Bentoiu can do that now that he's done orchestrating the 4th and 5th symphonies, which was nice of him.

All very important, I agree here.

It would be interesting to get Chris Dench's opinions on his symphonies as they all seem to be works that he had at some stage felt the need to revisit, being unhappy with the original state of them. He hasn't written a symphony in a very long time and seemed much more interested in his percussion works and solo works last time I spoke to him.

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2017, 06:20:10 PM »
That's fair—I know he turned several (all?) of them into normal "titled" pieces in the 80s/90s or thereabouts. His ensemble/orchestral work is generally fascinating though, even if it's no longer what he personally is interested in writing or having recorded >.>

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Re: Unrecorded (or underrecorded) works
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2017, 01:39:20 PM »
Ruth Gipps: Symphony 4
Wilfred Joseph symphonies
Novak: Autumn Symphony
Steinberg: Symphony 3
Milford: Symphony
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2017, 08:04:43 PM »
Ruth Gipps: Symphony 4
Wilfred Joseph symphonies
Novak: Autumn Symphony
Steinberg: Symphony 3
Milford: Symphony

Very much agree with this list, Jeffrey.

Perhaps the most scandalously neglected composer on disc in my view is the Slovenian Lucijan Marija Škerjanc (1900-1973). I was introduced to his music over at the Art-Music Forum and have been really impressed by what I've heard so far (Symphonies 1 and 4, Harp Concerto, Solemn and Dramatic Overtures, Five Lyrical Melodies for cello and chamber orchestra). None of his music has been commercially recorded, but fortunately a good amount of it can be found on YouTube. His harmonically rich and melodic style would find many friends if it were given greater exposure.

Symphony no. 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSvtJdR10oU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucijan_Marija_%C5%A0kerjanc
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