Author Topic: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll  (Read 3269 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline CB45

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12
  • Location: United Kingdom
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2018, 12:05:34 PM »
I would add the Busch Quartet in late Beethoven (subtracting Zinman's Beethoven cycle) - and the Prades (Casals/Tortelier) Schubert String Quintet - both of them superb music making and, I think, of historical significance in terms of the coming together of the musicians at particular times and places in the twentieth century.

Baron Scarpia

  • Guest
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2018, 12:09:02 PM »
Ok, when I see a recording of a giant pile of keyboard trifles played on harpsichord as the "greatest recording ever made" I know there is something intrinsically absurd about this thing. You'd have to pay me at least $75 an hour to listen to that.

Offline SurprisedByBeauty

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 1755
  • Back. Hello!
    • Surprised by Beauty
  • Currently Listening to:
    anything from Monteverdi to Widmann and well beyond in either direction and everything in the middle!
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2018, 12:23:16 PM »
Thanks for the precisions, Jens. Some of my choices have been mentioned by others, to which I’ll add my own Recordings of the Century for the 4 B. I think they are incontournables, in the sense that they make me pause and gasp every time I hear them, no matter how often. Most are well known, some not all that well known.


I've included them for now...

It's a balance. One the one hand, the fact that a recording is not well known already suggests that it is not considered "The Greatest Recording XYZ". On the other hand, I didn't ask you to guess others choices but make your own, so all is fair game. Including a giant pile of keyboard trifles on the harpsichord.  ;D (I'll take that comment as a downvote.)

I'm reposting the updated list below, so you don't have to switch between pages to see what's all included by now. Before long I'll have to get some order into it.




Dear all. I just caught myself writing that a certain recording would be getting the most votes if one ever surveyed classical music lovers (or critics) about what "the greatest recording" might be. The epitome of a classical music recording.  Let's not get into the absurdity of such a claim... that's not my point.

In order not to betray my own bias and opinion, I'm just listing candidates (with apologies to every self-respecting GMG member) from Norman Lebrecht's list of 100 Great Recordings.

The idea is to get informal votes in for records that should be included in a poll of, say, 25 recordings... so that I can poll the GMG Forum at least, if not the classical world at large.

It would help if you'd indicated which choices below you second, which you might exclude (if you feel strongly about it), and which you might add.

Kreisler/Blech, LvB Violin Concerto, EMI

Mendelssohn/Schumann Piano Trios, Cortot/Thibaud/Casals, EMI

Rachmaninoff/Stokowski, 2nd PC, RCA

Schabel, Beethoven Sonatas, EMI _ II BOX

Mahler 9, Walter, VPh, EMI _ I

Bach, Casals Cello Suites, EMI _ I

Tchaik, PC1, Horowitz/Toscanini, RCA

Toscanini, LvB Symphonies, RCA BOX

Toscanini, LvB7 NYP, RCA _ I

Toscanini, Falstaff, RCA _ I

Chopin Waltzes, Lipatti, EMI _ I

Wagner, T&I, Furtwangler, EMI _ II

Puccini, Tosca, Callas, de Sabata, EMI _ II

Brahms, PC 1, Rubinstein, Reiner, RCA

Bach Goldberg Variations, Gould, Columbia _ III

Mozart, Figaro, E.Kleiber, Decca _ III

Bartok Cto. for Orchestra, Reiner, RCA _ I

Tchaik, Sys. 4-6, Mravinsky, DG__ IIIII

Ravel, Daphnis & Chloe, Monteux, Decca _ I

DSCH, VC & CC, Oistrahk, Rostropovich, CBS _ I

Schubert, Death & Maiden, Amadeus Quartet, DG _ I

Bartok PCs, Anda, Fricsay, DG _ II

Bach, Matthew Passion, Klemperer, EMI _ I

Prokofiev Piano Sonata 8 et al, S.Richter, DG

Elgar, Cello Concerto, J.d.Pre, LSO, Barbirolli, EMI _ III

Wagner, Ring, Solti, Decca_ IIIII BOX

Mahler, LvdE, Ludwig, Wunderlich, Klemperer, EMI _ III

Mahler, Sy.4th, Szell, CBS

Strauss, Four Last Songs, Schwarzkopf (OTTO or Szell?), EMI _ III

Vivaldi Four Seasons, Marrinner, Decca _ I

Bach, Orchestral Suites, Harnoncourt, Teldec

Dvorak, Sys, 8 & 9, Kubelik, DG _ I

Schubert, Schoene Muellerin, Fischer-Dieskau, Moore, EMI

Schubert, Winterreise, Fischer-Dieskau, Demus, DG _ II

Bach, S&P, Milstein, DG _ I

Beethoven, Symphonies 5 & 7, Carlos Kleiber, DG _ II

Janacek, Katia Kabanova, Mackerras, Decca _ I

Janacek, Makropoulos, Mackerras, Decca _ I

Britten, Peter Grimes, Britten-Pears et al., Decca _ I

Britten, Peter Grimes, Davis, Vickers, Philips _ I

Berlioz, Les Troyens, Davis, Philips _ I

Berlioz, Les Troyens, Davis, LSO Live

Holst, Planets, Boult, EMI _ I

Berg, Lulu, Boulez, DG _ I

Mahler, 10th, Rattle, CBSO, EMI _ II

Mozart, Horn Concertos, Brian, EMI _ III

Mozart, Clarinet Concerto, Pay/Hogwood, Decca

Bach, Mass in B Minor, Gardiner, Archiv _ III

Verdi, Otello, Domingo et al., Maazel, EMI _ I

Paert, Tabula Rasa, ECM _ IIII

Bruckner 7, Vienna, Karajan, DG _ III

The Three Tenors in Concert, Decca

Gorecki, Third Symphony, Upshaw/Zinam, Nonesuch _ I

Verdi, Traviata, Gheorghiu, Solti, Decca

Beethoven Symphonies, Karajan, 1963, DG _ I

Beethoven, String Quartets, Busch Quartet, HMV/EMI/Warner

Schubert String Quintet, Prades (Casals/Tortelier)

Beethoven Symphonies, Zinman, Tonhalle, Arte Nova _ -1

Mahler 1, Kubelik, BRSO, DG _ II

Strav.: Rite of the Spring, Lenny, Sony (1958)

Strav.: Rite of the Spring, Gergiev, Philips

Strav.: Rite of the Spring, Stravinsky, either of his own _ III

Berlioz, Symphonie Fantastique, Colin Davis, LSO _ I

DSCH, Sy.15, Sanderling, Erato _ I

DSCH, Sy.15, Kondrashin, Dresden, Profil

Bach, Concertos italiaens, Tharaud, Harmonia Mundi _ II

Scarlatti, Sonatas, Pletnev, Virgin _ I



Philip Glass, Einstein on the Beach, CBS

Adams, Shaker Loops, Alsop, Naxos

Messiaen, Turangalila, Wit, Naxos

Brahms Piano Concertos, Gilels/Jochum, DG _ II

Brahms Piano Concertos, Fleisher/Szell, Sony _ I

Beethoven Piano Sonatas, Backhaus II, Decca _ I

Stravinsky, Firebird, Boulez, DG _ II

Schoenberg: Pierre Boulez, Gurrelieder, Columbia _ I

Bruckner: Eugen Jochum, Symphony #7 / Complete Bruckner Symphonies, DG _ I

Tchaikovsky: Manfred Symphony, Toscanini, RCA _ I

Sibelius, Akeo Watanabe, Complete Symphonies, Epic _ I

Tchaik/Rachmaninoff, PC 1 & 2, Argerich, Philips _ I

Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto 2, Richter, DG _ II

Mahler, Das Knaben Wunderhorn, Szell, EMI _ I

Brahms Symphony 4, Kleiber, DG _ I

Yonder Came A Courteous Knight, Ravenscroft, by the Pro Cantione Antiqua _ I

Swing, Swing, Swing the 1938 broadcast _ I

Bach, GVs, Leonhardt, 1978, DHM _ I

Sibelius, Sy.No7, HvK, DG _ I

Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto, Byron Janis #3 RCA _ I

Tchaikovsky PC 1, Rachmaninoff PC 2; Cliburn, Kondrashin/Reiner

Hummel/Piano Concertos 2&3 Hough _ I

Mozart Mass in C minor/Leppard _ I

Offenbach: Entre Nous _ I

Holst Military Suites for Band/Fennel _ I

Victoria The Victoria Collection, Christophers (Coro)  _ I

North German organ music, Leonhardt (Sony/Vivarte) _ I

Buxtehude complete organ works, Harald Vogel (MDG) _ I

Bach Das wohltemperierte Clavier, Gilbert (DG/Archiv) _ I

Bach Brandenburg Concertos, Goebel (DG/Archiv) _ I

Bach Matthäus Passion, Leonhardt (Harmonia Mundi) _ I

Bach organ works, Kooiman (Coronata) _ I

Bach Die Kunst der Fuge [organ] Rogg (EMI) _ I

Händel Water Music & Music For The Royal Fireworks, Gardiner (Philips) _ I

Mozart symphonies, Hogwood (Decca/l'Oiseau Lyre) _ I

Mozart Figaro, Solti (Decca) _ I

Mozart Così, Klemperer (EMI) _ I

Mozart Zauberflöte, Klemperer (EMI) _ I

Schubert Complete Symphonies Immerseel (Columbia/Zig Zag) _ I

Chopin Vladimir Tropp plays Chopin [a.o. Sonata no. 2] (Denon) _ I

Verdi, Rigoletto (Giulini) _ I

Mahler 2, Stokowski (RCA) _ I

Mahler 6, Barbirolli (EMI) _ I

Rachmaninov Vespers, Sweschnikow (EuroDisc) _ II

L. Andriessen, De Staat (De Leeuw) _ I

Beethoven Symphony No 3 'Eroica' E Kleiber/VPO _ I

Schoenberg: Kubelik, Gurrelieder, DG _ I

The Scarlatti Sonatas, Scott Ross, Erato BOX - 2

Bach Matthäus Passion, Mogens Wöldike (Vanguard/The Bach Guild)

Bach Goldberg Variations, Xhu Xiao-Mei (Mirare)

Beethoven Eroica symphony, Furtwängler, WP 1943 (EMI)

Beethoven Eroica Symphony, Monteux, Concertgebouw Orchestra (Philips/Decca)

Beethoven Pastoral symphony: Walter, Columbia Symphony (Sony)

Beethoven Missa Solemnis: Bernstein,  Concertgebouw (DGG)

Brahms symphony no 2: Abbado, BP (1969) (DGG)

Brahms symphony no 3: Walter, Columbia Symphony (Sony)

Bruckner: symphony no 5: Klemperer, New Philharmonia (EMI)

Bruckner: symphony no 6: Keilberth, BP (Teldec)

Bruckner: symphony no 8: Böhm, WP (DGG)

Liszt: Sonata in B minor, Krystian Zimerman, DG _ I

Faure: Requiem, Pavane . Durufle: Requiem, Philip Ledger, EMI _ I




Offline Sammy

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 1661
  • Location: Albuquerque
  • Currently Listening to:
    Bach and Boris Tchaikovsky
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2018, 12:48:26 PM »
Ok, when I see a recording of a giant pile of keyboard trifles played on harpsichord as the "greatest recording ever made" I know there is something intrinsically absurd about this thing. You'd have to pay me at least $75 an hour to listen to that.

Which entry are you referring to?

Baron Scarpia

  • Guest
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2018, 12:50:16 PM »
Which entry are you referring to?

Scarlatti Sonatas recorded by Ross.

Offline André

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 4940
  • Location: Laval, QC
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2018, 12:55:39 PM »
I think the question of including or not complete cycles is a fair one. On the one hand, it’s impossible and rather silly to choose a single Scarlatti sonata (1/555) or even Bach cantata (1/250ish), and on the other, it doen’t make sense to eliminate them altogether because they’re such a huge batch of works. A question to ponder.

As for the Ring, I think it should be considered a single work - in a Prologue and three Journeys. More complications, I’m afraid.

....................................

Now, my choices for the 5 « S »  :D

Schubert

- Recital by Elly Ameling (w. Jörg Demus - incl. Der Hirt auf dem Felsen), Harmonia Mundi
- Symphony no 9, Sinopoli, Staatskapelle Dresden - DGG

Schumann

- Symphony no 4, Klemperer, New Philharmonia
- Symphony no 3, Giulini, LAPO - DGG

Shostakovich

- Symphony no 5, Bernstein NYPO in Tokyo, Sony
- Symphony no 8, Kondrashin, Moscow Philharmonic

Sibelius

- Symphony no 1, Stokowski, National Philharmonic, Sony
- Symphony no 2. Barbirolli, Royal Philharmonic
- Symphonies 3 and 5. Rozhdestvensky, USSR TV and Radio Large SO
- Symphony no 6. Karajan, BP - DGG

Strauss (R)

- Also Sprach Zarathustra. Steinberg, Boston Symphony, DGG
- Don Quixote. Fournier, Szell, Cleveland Orchestra, Sony.
- Ein Heldenleben. Haitink, Chicago Symphony - CSO
- Four Last Songs. Janowitz, Karajan, BP - DGG

Offline Marc

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3494
  • Sine Cerere et Bach friget Venus
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2018, 08:12:13 PM »
Ok, when I see a recording of a giant pile of keyboard trifles played on harpsichord as the "greatest recording ever made" I know there is something intrinsically absurd about this thing. You'd have to pay me at least $75 an hour to listen to that.

I'd even do it for free!
Help support the GMG Classical Music Forum by purchasing from Amazon using this link, this link, or this link

Baron Scarpia

  • Guest
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2018, 08:29:49 PM »
I'd even do it for free!

Have at it, then!   ;D

Offline Daverz

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 4476
  • You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down!
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2018, 08:48:23 PM »
Ok, when I see a recording of a giant pile of keyboard trifles played on harpsichord as the "greatest recording ever made" I know there is something intrinsically absurd about this thing. You'd have to pay me at least $75 an hour to listen to that.

Trifles?!!  :o :-X >:(

I don't like these Great Recordings lists.  Who are they for and how are they meant to be used? 

I think it's better to start with repertoire and then list several recordings that represent different poles of interpretation (with brief descriptions), perhaps supplementing with notable historical recordings.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 08:55:15 PM by Daverz »

Online Que

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 15074
  • "One HIP dude"
  • Location: The Hague, Netherlands
  • Currently Listening to:
    Still nuts about harpsichord music and exploring Early Music.
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2018, 08:55:07 PM »
Ok, when I see a recording of a giant pile of keyboard trifles played on harpsichord as the "greatest recording ever made" I know there is something intrinsically absurd about this thing. You'd have to pay me at least $75 an hour to listen to that.

More like a giant musical monument for the ages.....  0:)

When I was a teenager, I compared Scarlatti with running tap water..... so there is still hope... ;)

Q

À chacun son goût.

Offline Marc

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3494
  • Sine Cerere et Bach friget Venus
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2018, 09:14:41 PM »
Trifles?!!  :o :-X >:(

I don't like these Great Recordings lists.  Who are they for and how are they meant to be used? 

I think it's better to start with repertoire and then list several recordings that represent different poles of interpretation (with brief descriptions), perhaps supplementing with notable historical recordings.

Yeah, you're right, those lists are useless (mostly just meant for showing off), but that doesn't mean I don't like them. ;)
Sometimes I have a fondness for uselessness.
Help support the GMG Classical Music Forum by purchasing from Amazon using this link, this link, or this link

Offline Marc

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3494
  • Sine Cerere et Bach friget Venus
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2018, 09:17:15 PM »
More like a giant musical monument for the ages.....  0:)

When I was a teenager, I compared Scarlatti with running tap water..... so there is still hope... ;)

Scarlatti is the water.
Scarlatti is the well.
Drunk full, ....


(I'll stop here.)
Help support the GMG Classical Music Forum by purchasing from Amazon using this link, this link, or this link

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9466
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2018, 09:21:36 PM »
More like a giant musical monument for the ages.....  0:)

When I was a teenager, I compared Scarlatti with running tap water..... so there is still hope... ;)

Q

But he wasn't talking about Scarlatti per se, he was talking about Ross's Scarlatti in the complete set.

This thing isn't about music, it's about interpretation on record.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 09:23:36 PM by Mandryka »
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline Marc

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3494
  • Sine Cerere et Bach friget Venus
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2018, 09:35:53 PM »
But he wasn't talking about Scarlatti per se, he was talking about Ross's Scarlatti in the complete set.

I thought he was talking about 'a giant pile of keyboard trifles' played on a harpsichord.
No mentioning of the interpreter as far as I understand.

This thing isn't about music, it's about interpretation on record.

Yep, and therefore the Baron's post is good for a laugh, but, that's all.
(Nothing wrong with that though.)
Help support the GMG Classical Music Forum by purchasing from Amazon using this link, this link, or this link

Offline (: premont :)

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 6721
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2018, 10:16:48 PM »
Yeah, you're right, those lists are useless (mostly just meant for showing off), but that doesn't mean I don't like them. ;)
Sometimes I have a fondness for uselessness.

Maybe not quite useless, but the use of the title "greatest recordings" is IMO a misnomer, which tends to authorize the choices over ability. Better if we made a list with our recommendations. This would display the subjectivity of the endeavor.
Tiden læger alle sår,
heldigt nok at tiden går.

Offline (: premont :)

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 6721
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2018, 10:19:42 PM »
Yep, and therefore the Baron's post is good for a laugh, but, that's all.

He probably intended that.
Tiden læger alle sår,
heldigt nok at tiden går.

Offline SurprisedByBeauty

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 1755
  • Back. Hello!
    • Surprised by Beauty
  • Currently Listening to:
    anything from Monteverdi to Widmann and well beyond in either direction and everything in the middle!
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2018, 11:12:48 PM »
Maybe not quite useless, but the use of the title "greatest recordings" is IMO a misnomer, which tends to authorize the choices over ability. Better if we made a list with our recommendations. This would display the subjectivity of the endeavor.

I specifically want "GREATEST" and all the associations that go with it, however amorphous. (Although I admit that I don't know what "authorize choices over ability" means.)
And I don't want a subjective-as-possible list, I want a list that would converge towards a consensus. In this first round of info-gathering I'm opening it up to avoid biases...


Offline San Antone

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 6139
    • Highway 80 Stories
  • Location: Tennessee
  • Currently Listening to:
    Bach, Chopin, Liszt, Brahms, Debussy
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2018, 11:31:33 PM »
Liszt: Sonata in B minor / Nuages gris / La notte / La lugubre gondola II / Funérailles
Krystian Zimerman



Faure: Requiem, Pavane . Durufle: Requiem
Philip Ledger


Offline (: premont :)

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 6721
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2018, 11:33:49 PM »
(Although I admit that I don't know what "authorize choices over ability" means.)

With other words: Authorize the choices more than the basis allows.

Hopefully this is understandable.
Tiden læger alle sår,
heldigt nok at tiden går.

Offline Daverz

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 4476
  • You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down!
Re: The Greatest Recording Ever Made: Nominations for the Poll
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2018, 12:19:08 AM »
I specifically want "GREATEST" and all the associations that go with it, however amorphous. (Although I admit that I don't know what "authorize choices over ability" means.)
And I don't want a subjective-as-possible list, I want a list that would converge towards a consensus. In this first round of info-gathering I'm opening it up to avoid biases...

So you want the received opinion of what the greatest recordings are as gleaned by the members from our collective knowledge of the zeitgeist, or something like that, rather than our own personal "greatest recordings".  Well, phooey.