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Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« on: May 10, 2018, 07:11:25 AM »
Can somebody help me to recognize orchestral work of 20th century from this short fragment?
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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2018, 07:25:20 AM »
Can somebody help me to recognize orchestral work of 20th century from this short fragment?
Here you can play the file: https://yadi.sk/d/Ui_QyDv_EJXR2

It does not play.  Sorry!  I am not downloading it!  $:)
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2018, 07:38:27 AM »
It does not play.  Sorry!  I am not downloading it!  $:)
Thank you, I have corrected the post and attached mp3 file.

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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2018, 04:05:37 PM »
Though I don't know what it is, it sounds soviet so possibly Armenian/Georgian/Russian, etc.  Probably post 1945 and pre 1975. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2018, 04:26:46 PM »
Though I don't know what it is, it sounds soviet so possibly Armenian/Georgian/Russian, etc.  Probably post 1945 and pre 1975.

Agreed!  Khachaturian or a Khachaturian klone, etc.
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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2018, 11:55:30 PM »
Agreed!  Khachaturian or a Khachaturian klone, etc.
Not Khatchaturian, but definitely Soviet/Russian. Mid 20th century.
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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2018, 12:00:32 AM »
Agreed!  Khachaturian or a Khachaturian klone, etc.
I hear that it sounds like him, but this does not help at all. I have not found this composition in Khachaturian music. I think it will be popular if it was his work.

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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2018, 12:57:45 PM »
I'd wager good money that Leonard Bernstein could answer your question--if he were still with us, as your music has a similarity to parts of Bernstein's Candide.  Therefore, I'd be surprised if Bernstein didn't know it.

But yes, it does sounds Soviet, & from the 1st half of the 20th century.  Given its dynamic, theatrical rhythms--could it be part of a ballet or some other work by Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Myaskovsky (or even Gliere?), if not by Khachaturian, I wonder?
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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 04:04:55 AM »
Well, "definitely" has already been used once--and it is definitely not Soviet.

It's definitely, if I may be so bold as to use that word, Kodály.

Probably Peacock Variations, but I'm too lazy to look it up. Also could be one of the dances pieces, Dances of Galánta or Dances of Marosszék.

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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 10:18:55 PM »
Well, "definitely" has already been used once--and it is definitely not Soviet.

It's definitely, if I may be so bold as to use that word, Kodály.

Probably Peacock Variations, but I'm too lazy to look it up. Also could be one of the dances pieces, Dances of Galánta or Dances of Marosszék.

Very interesting music but it is not this piece (I have listened).

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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2018, 12:11:32 AM »
Well, you could do a lot worse than just listen to everything by u until you find it.

And even, in the the unlikely event that you don't, you've still had a lot of fun, eh?

(Kodály's output is not that large, btw.)

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2018, 03:21:47 AM »
Well, "definitely" has already been used once--and it is definitely not Soviet.

It's definitely, if I may be so bold as to use that word, Kodály.

Probably Peacock Variations, but I'm too lazy to look it up. Also could be one of the dances pieces, Dances of Galánta or Dances of Marosszék.
Oh no, definitely not Kodály.  ;) ;D (I happen to know these pieces, actually all of his orchestral pieces (there are indeed not that many), and this is very different. Bernstein's Candide makes a better comparison, but I still think it stems from Soviet times.
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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2018, 01:52:32 AM »
I definitely did not snag it when I listened to most of the Kodály that I have. Pfffft.

I'll be listening to the entire Hary Janos later today, because I can.

Anyway, what really bugs me about this clip is that the music is quite familiar to me. Has been for many years. And the doodle-oo bit after the soft part that follows that Khatchaturian-ish part sounds like nobody else but Kodály.

So where IS everybody here? And is there anybody for whom this is as familiar as it is to me.

I'm not losing any sleep, but this is seriously starting to annoy me. (A characteristic bit of Prokofiev's Sinfonia concertante floated into my head this morning. Took me at least an hour to identify it. Maybe my brain is just turning to mush, eh? Hey, it could happen.)

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2018, 02:55:35 AM »
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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2018, 03:55:20 AM »
There are several "Galops" by Khachaturian and Shostakovich that sound quite a lot like it.
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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2018, 04:52:25 AM »
There are several "Galops" by Khachaturian and Shostakovich that sound quite a lot like it.

But those are very distinctive composers with immediately recognizable fingerprints as is the case with Prokofiev.  They sound like no one else and even if its a work unknown to us, we'd recognize the composer as being them.  This work makes me think it is a little known composer but in similar time and place of either Soviet Union or Eastern Europe mid 20th century.

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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2018, 04:57:27 AM »
Without digging around, is it maybe some of Schnittke's soundtrack music?
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Re: Unknown 20th century orchestral work
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2018, 05:10:07 AM »
They sound like no one else

Seriously? People line up to comment on the resemblance to Khachaturian and you claim he sounds like no-one else?

And when it comes to Shostakovich, we're talking here about the ballet music. Not the most inherently distinctive part of that composer's output either. In fact, given the trajectory of his career, I'd go so far as to say there are works by Shostakovich that don't especially sound like "Shostakovich".

The whole idea that composers have such "distinctive fingerprints" that they can't possibly be confused with anyone else is belied by the whole uncertain history of musicology. At the very least they risk being confused in the early parts of their career with their teachers and those they imitated, and later on they might be the teacher or person imitated.

When I tell you that there are several Galops by Khachaturian and Shostakovich that sound quite similar to the sound file, that's because I just did direct comparisons between this recording and recordings of Galops by Khachaturian and Shostakovich. I didn't make any declaration that it was actually a work by Khachaturian or Shostakovich. In fact, given that other people had already referred to those composers, the more significant point was that the piece might be a Galop.
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