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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2018, 11:51:35 PM »
There are two live Barbirolli performances of the 6th, with the Berlin Philharmonic (January 1966) and the New Philharmonia (August 1967); both are around 10 minutes quicker than the studio recording with the New Philharmonia (August 1967). My preference is for the live New Philharmonia performance.

Even though I'm not that much in good ole Gustav any more (whch a.o. means: no more expanding of the already rather large collection), thanks for this message!
I might al least check out the New Philharmonia one.
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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2018, 12:21:02 AM »
Even though I'm not that much in good ole Gustav any more (whch a.o. means: no more expanding of the already rather large collection), thanks for this message!
I might al least check out the New Philharmonia one.

I should have added that it is on the Testament label, hope you enjoy it.

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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2018, 12:26:27 AM »
I should have added that it is on the Testament label, hope you enjoy it.

The Dutch general public library has it... ordered it. :)
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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2018, 12:27:40 AM »
A famous example:



I think Lenny has a lot of recordings in this category.

I need to revisit that.  I do remember Larry mentioning it, but without praise.

The CSO Leningrad, though . . . couldn't imagine any other conductor drawing it out as he did, but keeping it tight and making it work.
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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2018, 01:51:32 AM »
I like the Lenny Pathetique but there is certainly a sense of the musicians checking their watches and wondering what time the pubs shut - no wonder they sound so sad  ;D

Interesting to contrast the last movement with Dausgaard, who almost halves the duration but is also a compelling listen.  Nice compare/contrast on the sleeve art too.

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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2018, 06:24:03 AM »
Gould's rendition of Schoenberg's Suite for Piano is absolutely wrongheaded.  He rebalances things all over the place and takes the Intermezzo at half the notated tempo.  Still, it's very interesting.

The CSO Leningrad, though . . . couldn't imagine any other conductor drawing it out as he did, but keeping it tight and making it work.

I expected Gould and Bernstein to be the kings of this thread. Frequently exasperating, but great musicians with their own vision of things. Another such might be Hermann Scherchen.
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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2018, 06:32:16 AM »
I'll bet Rafael could tell;  I cannot.

. . . this is impossibly slow, but good heavens, it is exquisite:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/R4Ag-SloSX0" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/R4Ag-SloSX0</a>
In Life and Death of Classical Music this recording was flagged as one of the 20 worst of all time which is a rather dubious distinction.

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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2018, 06:39:36 AM »
True blue Wagnerians apparently hate Norrington's recording of Wagner preludes/overtures etc with the London Classical Players, but I think it's wonderful personally.

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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2018, 07:48:23 AM »
In Life and Death of Classical Music this recording was flagged as one of the 20 worst of all time which is a rather dubious distinction.

I can see it being a love-it-or-hate-it item.
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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2018, 08:14:57 AM »

Any takers for Pogorelich playing Schumann's Symphonische Etüden?

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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2018, 08:21:05 AM »
Any takers for Pogorelich playing Schumann's Symphonische Etüden?

I don’t know about the Schumann, but a 43-minute live Rach 2 from San Francisco would be a candidate if ever issued commercially.

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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2018, 12:23:27 PM »
True blue Wagnerians apparently hate Norrington's recording of Wagner preludes/overtures etc with the London Classical Players, but I think it's wonderful personally.
I am a big fan of Sir Roger. There is another disc titled Early Romantic Overtures with the same forces that I like. To me he was really the father of the entire HIP movement - at least in the recorded industry.

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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2018, 01:20:54 PM »
Any takers for Pogorelich playing Schumann's Symphonische Etüden?

Which has reminded me of Tzimon Barto’s recording of the same work which I’ll add to the list.
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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2018, 10:07:24 AM »
Robert Shaw's performance of Walton's Belshazzar's Feast puts in an extraneous 'SLAIN!' at the end which retrospectively ruins what would otherwise have been a fine performance. Koussevitsky brings back the chimes of Big Ben at the very end of A London Symphony, which I have to admit I rather enjoyed as I did Svetlanov's recording of Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony where he brings back the exciting end of the first movement at the end of the finale. I have to confess that I much prefer this to Tchaikovsky's rather dreary original version.
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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2018, 03:55:05 PM »
A famous example:



I think Lenny has a lot of recordings in this category.

Agreed on both counts!
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Re: Great wrongheaded recordings
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2018, 02:10:08 PM »
I don’t know about the Schumann, but a 43-minute live Rach 2 from San Francisco would be a candidate if ever issued commercially.

How about a 54 minute Liszt Sonata from Pogorelich? At some point, people will need to bring an overnight bag to his concerts! Of course, those timings pale in comparison to Anton Batagov's Bach recordings:


He plays two Partitas and it requires two CDs!! Somehow, he makes it work since he does play with expression and dynamics, unlike his even more glacial Art of the Fugue, which has neither of those and sounds as if it's a MIDI keyboard...in mono, no less! (recorded in 1993.) It absolutely doesn't work.
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