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Offline Ken B

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Re: George Bush Snr
« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2018, 07:47:32 AM »
I didn't say bad things never happen. Half a million or more people are removed per year. You've cited a handful of deaths, not all of which were deliberate.

Donald Trump's conduct has been a disgrace, but any country has a right to decide who is permitted to enter and who isn't.
She cites the prosecution of a man for murder as evidence he was allowed to kill. Puerile.
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Re: George Bush Snr
« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2018, 11:41:24 AM »
I didn't say bad things never happen. Half a million or more people are removed per year. You've cited a handful of deaths, not all of which were deliberate.

Donald Trump's conduct has been a disgrace, but any country has a right to decide who is permitted to enter and who isn't.

She cites the prosecution of a man for murder as evidence he was allowed to kill. Puerile.

She's an unabashed apologist for Stalin and communism --- what else can you expect from her other than ideologically motivated, blatant distortion of reality?
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Re: George Bush Snr
« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2018, 07:11:26 AM »
I think of Gulf War One as an example of "destroying the village in order to save it", so I'd see an analogy closer to Vietnam than WW2.

I'd amend that to Gulf War II, only a half million casualties!
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Re: George Bush Snr
« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2018, 07:16:58 AM »
But there is something to be said for intent.


There is.  Especially for victors who get to rationalize the immoral, criminal, and evil acts performed in their name.  I doubt the hundreds of thousands of civilians incinerated by Allied bombs convinced themselves of the good intent of the underlying strategic decisions.

Of course, if there is something to be said for intent, one might wonder what can be said about the world being forced by the US to adopt the US dollar as the primary reserve currency rather than the world using an alternative (eg, a currency basket).  The intent there doesn't seem so wholesome.  One can also sort of determine an intent not quite as wholesome as you imply when reconsidering the strategic bombing and fire bombing campaigns while also considering the fact that the strategies had strong critics at the time, and that they have been found lacking in strategic merit since the war. 

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« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2018, 07:30:01 AM »
So we're back to the only thing worse than Nazis are people who defeat Nazis.
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Re: George Bush Snr
« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2018, 07:31:21 AM »
So we're back to the only thing worse than Nazis are people who defeat Nazis.


Meh.
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