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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2019, 07:23:58 PM »
My new Yevgeny Subdin late Beethoven sonatas came in a ecopak...no complaints!
Shrink wrap? How is it pulling out the CD?

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2019, 05:31:11 PM »
Shrink wrap? How is it pulling out the CD?
No shrink wrap--the "ecopak" sticker joined the two halves so nothing fell out. The disc is in one end of the pack--it comes out easily enough.

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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2019, 09:50:45 PM »
Tangentially, my biggest gripe with Jewel cases are the 2CD versions. The first ones they came out with were as wide as 3 or 4 individual jewel cases. What a waste of space. Then came the ones that fit in the space of a single jewel case, except for some reason they come in two different varieties. There is one type where secondary hinge corresponds to the primary hinge, and it opens like a book, and a second type where the secondary hinge is at the edge and it opens like a fanfold. Of course when you get one you have to guess which type it is and if you guess wrong you end up ripping the thing apart when you try to get the second disc out. Just irritating.

I doubt they could conceive of an ecopak that would be worse than the jewel case.

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2019, 09:58:14 PM »
Tangentially, my biggest gripe with Jewel cases are the 2CD versions. The first ones they came out with were as wide as 3 or 4 individual jewel cases. What a waste of space. Then came the ones that fit in the space of a single jewel case, except for some reason they come in two different varieties. There is one type where secondary hinge corresponds to the primary hinge, and it opens like a book, and a second type where the secondary hinge is at the edge and it opens like a fanfold. Of course when you get one you have to guess which type it is and if you guess wrong you end up ripping the thing apart when you try to get the second disc out. Just irritating.

I doubt they could conceive of an ecopak that would be worse than the jewel case.

It’s actually very easy to see which type of 2-CD holder you’ll be getting. Just open it up and look at it. Again, I think you’re being a bit melodramatic about the whole jewel case thing.
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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2019, 07:21:42 AM »
No shrink wrap--the "ecopak" sticker joined the two halves so nothing fell out. The disc is in one end of the pack--it comes out easily enough.

Does the sticker have some sort of velcro that's reusable/resealable? Or is it just a sticker with glue/adhesive on the back that you have to cut apart once to access the CD, etc.?

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2019, 01:34:14 AM »
It’s actually very easy to see which type of 2-CD holder you’ll be getting. Just open it up and look at it. Again, I think you’re being a bit melodramatic about the whole jewel case thing.

I have to admit that I've had moments of momentary puzzlement with 2-CD jewel cases, expecting the hinge on one side or the other... but ultimately I'm glad to say that it never overtaxed my deductive abilities.  8)

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2019, 01:52:18 AM »
I don't love them but I must have bought around a hundred or more of the slim 2-disc cases over the last 10 years to save space compared to the fat 2disc cases.
Most of the time, I don't care so much about the packaging. The main thing I truly dislike is any packaging that is more than about 5 milimetres different in the vertical dimension because this will be a problem for some of my shelving. Unfortunately this is true for quite a few of the otherwise space-saving cardboard boxes.
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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2019, 02:13:02 AM »
I don't love them but I must have bought around a hundred or more of the slim 2-disc cases over the last 10 years to save space compared to the fat 2disc cases.
Most of the time, I don't care so much about the packaging. The main thing I truly dislike is any packaging that is more than about 5 milimetres different in the vertical dimension because this will be a problem for some of my shelving. Unfortunately this is true for quite a few of the otherwise space-saving cardboard boxes.

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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2019, 02:52:48 AM »
Yeh, from where I sit on my desk I can see the yellow box of the DSCH quartets lying horizontally on the base of a stack of discs, messing up this whole section of the shelf. Then there is a bunch grouped with DVDs but this is not a problem as long as one has a few shelves for DVD format. But there are also some being higher than DVD cases.
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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2019, 03:06:32 AM »
Yeh, from where I sit on my desk I can see the yellow box of the DSCH quartets lying horizontally on the base of a stack of discs, messing up this whole section of the shelf. Then there is a bunch grouped with DVDs but this is not a problem as long as one has a few shelves for DVD format. But there are also some being higher than DVD cases.
I hate all of them.

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« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2019, 03:27:07 AM »
Yeh, from where I sit on my desk I can see the yellow box of the DSCH quartets lying horizontally on the base of a stack of discs, messing up this whole section of the shelf. Then there is a bunch grouped with DVDs but this is not a problem as long as one has a few shelves for DVD format. But there are also some being higher than DVD cases.
I hate all of them.

When I designed my CD shelving, I took the yellow box of DSCH quartets as the standard for height to make sure I didn't run into such problems.  Seriously. ;D :)

...and then came along the obnoxiously formatted Berlin Philharmonic Releases! Argh!  >:D (By the way, if anyone wants to trade an SACD set of any of those issues for the CD/Blu-ray set, I'm happy to do that.)

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2019, 06:20:33 AM »
It's a first world problem but so are ALL things concerning listening to classical music and storing CDs.
I am poor enough that I have to stick to by now 4 different kinds of shelves I acquired over almost two decades and cannot spend any money on new custom shelving. Furthermore, I am actually quite happy with most of my shelves partly because they do not have lots of space between discs and boards (less dust acculumation etc.)

Actually, I am surprised that BIS even bothers with new packaging. I am told everywhere that material carriers are a thing of the past and we will only stream etc. in a few years.
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« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2019, 07:01:10 AM »
My point was that in a ecopak without shrink wrap, the disc could fall out.  And sitting on warehouse shelves would allow dust to get inside and on the disc.  Handling for individual disc orders again run the risk of the CD falling out; same for inside a mailing package.  Just a thought.

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2019, 07:46:45 AM »
I have to admit that I've had moments of momentary puzzlement with 2-CD jewel cases, expecting the hinge on one side or the other... but ultimately I'm glad to say that it never overtaxed my deductive abilities.  8)

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2019, 09:21:58 AM »
Does the sticker have some sort of velcro that's reusable/resealable? Or is it just a sticker with glue/adhesive on the back that you have to cut apart once to access the CD, etc.?

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2019, 09:26:40 AM »
Now BIS's problem is I'm tempted to not buy any of their back catalogue CDs until there's a way of knowing that the CD in question will be arriving in one of these ecopaks.

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« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2019, 09:39:58 AM »
I have to admit that I've had moments of momentary puzzlement with 2-CD jewel cases, expecting the hinge on one side or the other... but ultimately I'm glad to say that it never overtaxed my deductive abilities.  8)

I guess I am lazy, but I find it is faster to empirically determine how it opens, which results in some fidgeting, rather than stare at it. Some fraction of the time the little tray pops out entirely. It is no big deal, because 99% of the time when I open a jewel case it is to rip the disk, which means it will never be opened again.

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2019, 10:50:49 AM »
Yes, there are "ecopak" style packages that made it almost impossible to get the disc out without scratching it.

That's my biggest gripe with this type of packaging. In 95% of cases the disc is in too tight and small scratches accumulate with time. Unacceptable, as far as I'm concerned. And then there are those few in which one has to bend the case at an uncomfortable angle in order to extract the CD... towards the inside of the case! Fun times.

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2019, 05:03:43 AM »
Hello, all.

Someone pointed me to this Forum, and so I thought I'd chip in.

Here some answers from the goat's mouth:

- No, they won't be shrink-wrapped.  Would be totally illogical.  I have carried some dummies in my pockets for months now.  No sign of wear or tear, but even if there were, it is a small price to pay for the ecological gains.
- The SACD is stuck into a paper envelope before inserting into the BIS ecopak.  It does not, repeat NOT, fall out, but is easily removable.  It doesn't scratch.
- The sticker is removable.
- As of June New Releases, everything will be in the BIS ecopak.  Some even before that.

Can someone tell the moderator that it is extremely difficult for a colourblind person to see the letters needed to verify, and that a Swede doesn't necessarily know the continuation of "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy ..."  My English is better than most's, but I didn't grow up with English nursery rhymes!  Sure Mrs. Google did provide the answer, but, really....

Nice to see the interest.  Now I am hoping for our colleagues to follow suit.

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Re: BIS is switching to "ecopak" recyclable packaging
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2019, 06:21:21 AM »
Can someone tell the moderator that it is extremely difficult for a colourblind person to see the letters needed to verify, and that a Swede doesn't necessarily know the continuation of "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy ..."  My English is better than most's, but I didn't grow up with English nursery rhymes!  Sure Mrs. Google did provide the answer, but, really....

Nice to see the interest.  Now I am hoping for our colleagues to follow suit.

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