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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1100 on: March 12, 2017, 03:07:05 PM »
Interesting comment here from Rubsam on his WTC

Listening to his harpsichord AoF today, I was impressed by how the fugues give the impression of two or three lutes playing. I think it may well be the most interesting harpsichord AoF since Leonhardt (DHM). The tone of the harpsichord he uses is very warm, I've not checked to see whether it's the same as the one he used for WTC.  The WTC one has this interesting feature

Agreed - I love it. In the WTC, the rubato occasionally gets in the way (a la Pamela Ruiter Feenstra), but it's excellent in the AoF.
But I think I might get used to the rubato in WTC after a few listens -- who knows?

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1101 on: March 13, 2017, 08:23:00 PM »

I've been loving this for a long time. There's nothing quite like it save Levinson's WTC (in terms of the choice of instrument).

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1102 on: March 13, 2017, 09:43:20 PM »
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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1103 on: March 14, 2017, 12:19:37 AM »
maybe Robert Levin who uses a fortepiano in some pieces (I think only in WTC II)
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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1104 on: March 14, 2017, 07:17:28 AM »
What?
Ah. Levin, yes. Not that the playing is related. But Bach on Fortepiano is rare.

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1105 on: March 25, 2017, 10:30:11 PM »
I like the colorfulness of Concerto Transcriptions. Personally, I prefer the Transcriptions and Inventions and Sinfonias to Goldberg. To me, ironically, GV lack variation.

Those reviews I did took a huge number of hours; most folks don't want to devote so much time to one work or body of works.

I have to admit that, even if I was still doing those long reviews, I wouldn't tackle the harpsichord concertos.  You have to possess great love for music that you listen to for dozens of hours.  That wasn't any problem for me with works such the Goldbergs and WTC, but I would tire of the concertos long beftore the review process was concluded; that's exactly what happened to me when I tried it with the Brandenburgs.

The best I can figure, there have been 13 new recordings of the Partitas in the last six years, 7 for the French Suites and 53 for the Goldbergs.

Concerning the concerto transcriptions, I'm not a big fan and definitely prefer Bach's Toccatas.


Ha, in that case, yeah, they are fairly minor works, most of which are probably best heard in the original format anyway (those of Vivaldi for instance). The exception is the bwv 1065, where Bach actually improves on the original.

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1106 on: March 25, 2017, 10:40:43 PM »
Indeed it is the same, Dave:)

I don't know the set by Elizabeth Farr, wasn't even aware of its existence.
I have the complete set of arranged concertos by Peter Watchorn - pictured below. Solid, serviceable performances in comparison to Baumont's utter elegance and charm.



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Farr, not solid. Watchorn, fair but not vivacious. I like Dirksen and Yates. Dreyfus is not bad either.
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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1107 on: March 25, 2017, 11:34:23 PM »
Farr, not solid. Watchorn, fair but not vivacious. I like Dirksen and Yates. Dreyfus is not bad either.

And what about Beaumont / Barchi ?
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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1108 on: March 25, 2017, 11:45:21 PM »
And what about Beaumont / Barchi ?
I have not listened them. I should!

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1109 on: March 26, 2017, 12:15:09 AM »
Farr, not solid. Watchorn, fair but not vivacious. I like Dirksen and Yates. Dreyfus is not bad either.

I am generally not a fan of Elizabeth Farr, I also agree on Watchorn's recording - the sparkle is missing there....

I need to seek out Pieter Dirksen... :) Olivier Baumont is absolutely brilliant, though just a single disc.

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1110 on: March 26, 2017, 01:08:12 AM »
Agreed - I love it. In the WTC, the rubato occasionally gets in the way (a la Pamela Ruiter Feenstra), but it's excellent in the AoF.
But I think I might get used to the rubato in WTC after a few listens -- who knows?

It just hit me, when listening to Rubsam's Pachelbel Hexachordum: the reason why Rubsam uses so much rubato and arpeggiates nearly everything is because he's trying to imitate the lute! I mean, he's playing on a lute-harpsichord - doh!
Now this has clicked, his recordings are quite ingenious to me.

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1111 on: March 26, 2017, 01:47:10 AM »
It just hit me, when listening to Rubsam's Pachelbel Hexachordum: the reason why Rubsam uses so much rubato and arpeggiates nearly everything is because he's trying to imitate the lute! I mean, he's playing on a lute-harpsichord - doh!
Now this has clicked, his recordings are quite ingenious to me.

It's true that sometimes the music sounds like lute players, and the harpsichord sounds very like a lute. I think he's just experimenting with ways to make the music expressive. Conventions grew up about how to play harpsichord which he thinks don't always do the best by the music.

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1112 on: March 26, 2017, 05:08:06 PM »
I am generally not a fan of Elizabeth Farr, I also agree on Watchorn's recording - the sparkle is missing there....

I need to seek out Pieter Dirksen... :) Olivier Baumont is absolutely brilliant, though just a single disc.

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Farr's set of concerto transcriptions is fairly good, and better than her set of lautenwerk pieces (=lute works played on a lautenwerk) which is marred by questionable registrations and stops.

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1113 on: March 26, 2017, 09:18:47 PM »
: the reason why Rubsam uses so much rubato and arpeggiates nearly everything

Just seeing this and mention of Elizabeth Farr made me think of her Byrd recording, which was produced by Rubsam. Farr rolls chords to mark upbeats in Byrd. It's quite a bold experiment.
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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1114 on: March 26, 2017, 09:25:14 PM »
Farr's set of concerto transcriptions is fairly good, and better than her set of lautenwerk pieces (=lute works played on a lautenwerk) which is marred by questionable registrations and stops.

IMO, her execution is limited,  her performance sounds mechanical, and her interpretations lack playfulness. Ie., below.

https://youtu.be/JKWrCRI7axc
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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1115 on: March 31, 2017, 10:25:14 PM »
I don't know the first Pinnock recording. What I will say is that  I listened to Pinnock's recording of the Bach toccatas - not music I know very well or normally much enjoy. But I thought Pinnock's recording was fabulous!

Yes, I like his toccatas too though they are not sophisticated like the performances today, ie. Hantai.
Funny, you say you don't know Bach's Toccatas well.
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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1116 on: April 09, 2017, 05:35:24 AM »




I'm really enjoying Mario Videla's recording of the French Suites recording because he completely shies away from large scale gestures, everything is peaceful and intimate. Anyway I shouldn't wonder if this becomes a favourite.
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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1117 on: April 09, 2017, 06:21:23 AM »
This seems forgotten but it's also good for me tonight. My favorite is no one else's I guess:

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1118 on: April 09, 2017, 07:55:06 PM »
This seems forgotten but it's also good for me tonight. My favorite is no one else's I guess:

I like Leon's all the Seon recordings!

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Re: Bach on the harpsichord, lute-harpsichord, clavichord
« Reply #1119 on: April 10, 2017, 03:26:26 PM »
My favorite is no one else's I guess:

It's my favorite too! Such a great shame that it's out of print, since it was engineered so well too.
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