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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #280 on: August 13, 2019, 12:10:32 PM »
     After minutes of serious thought I've come to the profound realization that I don't like Joe Biden. It's not dislike, just lack of like.

That's fair
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« Reply #281 on: August 13, 2019, 02:14:35 PM »

     It looks like Hickenlooper is going to drop out and run for the Senate, where he stands a good chance against the incumbent.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #282 on: August 13, 2019, 03:53:54 PM »
     It looks like Hickenlooper is going to drop out and run for the Senate, where he stands a good chance against the incumbent.

Good call.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #283 on: August 14, 2019, 07:46:25 AM »
Does Bernie really want to sound like Trump ("the media is so unfair to me"?

The trouble is that there isn’t much of a case to be made that Sanders is getting singled out for mistreatment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/14/bernie-sanderss-real-media-problem/
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #285 on: August 14, 2019, 08:06:08 AM »
Bernie, your moment has come — and gone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-has-one-big-problem-eugene-mccarthy/2019/02/19/f2c90cd4-347f-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html

Brainwashed by WP Karl? How stupid are you?

Bernie overtakes Biden in New Hampshire poll

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Bernie 21 %
Biden 15 %
Warren 12 %
Buttigieg 8 %
Kamala Harris 7 %
Gabbard 5 %

Looks like the moment came and went for Cop-mala Harris...

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #286 on: August 14, 2019, 08:45:02 AM »
Brainwashed by WP Karl? How stupid are you?


     How stupid is anyone, really, when you get down to it? At the end of the day........

     At an investor forum I often terrorize I said this about Bernie:

Sanders is a socialist. In my view he is ill-equipped to understand or sympathize with supercharged capitalist economic theory. Unlike his former advisor Stephanie Kelton, he really does believe money grows on rich people. The government has to go and get it from who has it or it can't spend for good things. This is the same stuff mainstream libraservatives believe.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #287 on: August 14, 2019, 11:52:40 AM »
Brainwashed by WP Karl? How stupid are you?

Somehow you see a non insulting difference of opinion with you as " toxic" but a comment like this of your own is not. How does that work?

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #288 on: August 14, 2019, 11:53:31 AM »
Sanders is a socialist.

He is a social democrat. He wants the same stuff social democratic Nordic countries have had for decades. Even Slovenia has tuition free education and that's a poor East European country with 40 % of the GDP per capita of the US. How to pay for the "free stuff?" Canada, New Zealand, Australia, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland among many other countries figured it out decades ago. Having real democracy instead of oligarchy helps a lot.  ;)
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #289 on: August 14, 2019, 11:54:37 AM »
Somehow you see a non insulting difference of opinion with you as " toxic" but a comment like this of your own is not. How does that work?

I should stay away but it is difficult - my posts are toxic too.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #290 on: August 14, 2019, 03:07:41 PM »
Sanders also improved significantly in the latest South Carolina poll (although still 14 points behind Biden and 1 behind Warren). I don't know if it means a ton since all of these changes have been primarily at the expense of the lower tier candidates, so all we're seeing is a consolidation of voters within the top four, although Mayor Pete still has some support in Iowa and New Hampshire; he's dropping rapidly anywhere else that's less white than Finland.

I also don't really think it will end up being a "top four" despite the fact that Kamala Harris has been planning to be president since at least 2016 and is trying her best to be a top tier candidate. It looks like it'll end up being a "top three" of Biden, Sanders and Warren. (I mean, at the moment it's really a "top two" of Biden and Undecided.)

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #291 on: August 14, 2019, 03:48:12 PM »
Bernie, your moment has come — and gone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-has-one-big-problem-eugene-mccarthy/2019/02/19/f2c90cd4-347f-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html

You can always count on WaPo to play into the stale "Bernie Bros" narrative when the latest poll shows that he has more female supporters than men.

Here's a far better article:

https://www.vox.com/2019/8/14/20802129/bernie-sanders-2020-corporate-media-bias-explained

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #292 on: August 14, 2019, 04:30:58 PM »
You can always count on WaPo to play into the stale "Bernie Bros" narrative when the latest poll shows that he has more female supporters than men.

Here's a far better article:

https://www.vox.com/2019/8/14/20802129/bernie-sanders-2020-corporate-media-bias-explained


You know who constantly complain about the media, and insist it is heavily biased against them?
The GOP and the Right wing. Interesting that Bernie supporters reach for the same tool as the Right.

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #293 on: August 14, 2019, 04:32:13 PM »
He is a social democrat. He wants the same stuff social democratic Nordic countries have had for decades. Even Slovenia has tuition free education and that's a poor East European country with 40 % of the GDP per capita of the US. How to pay for the "free stuff?" Canada, New Zealand, Australia, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland among many other countries figured it out decades ago. Having real democracy instead of oligarchy helps a lot.  ;)

The countries you mention are just as oligarchic as the US.

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #294 on: August 14, 2019, 06:21:32 PM »
He is a social democrat.

     He thinks he's a socialist and he's in a better position to know than the young people who call themselves socialist as a synonym for progressive. But then, while I'm a little puritanical about definitions, the distinction is getting muddled. Almost any positive proposal the right wants to block is left by default and socialist by the kiddies. It's not just hostility by the intellectually corrupt right wing that doesn't even acknowledge the significance of social democracy. Social democracy=socialism=communism, a view that turns history into mush. These kids should very much get off my lawn.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #295 on: August 14, 2019, 10:00:58 PM »

You know who constantly complain about the media, and insist it is heavily biased against them?
The GOP and the Right wing. Interesting that Bernie supporters reach for the same tool as the Right.

Do you acknowledge that the DNC conspired to prevent Bernie from winning in 2016?

A few days ago, when Bernie sat down for an hour-long podcast focused on policy and substance (which is not possible the way the debates are structured), the last question was if he would reveal info on aliens when in the White House; Sanders sarcastically said he would. Clearly this was a joke, but it didn't stop every media outlet under the sun from ignoring the issues and seizing the opportunity to portray Bernie was a crazed lunatic.

CNN - https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/09/us/bernie-sanders-aliens-trnd/index.html

... and Fox - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxK32pp3atM

(How low can CNN go?)

This, on the other hand, is pure gold:

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #296 on: August 15, 2019, 02:24:11 AM »
     He thinks he's a socialist and he's in a better position to know than the young people who call themselves socialist as a synonym for progressive. But then, while I'm a little puritanical about definitions, the distinction is getting muddled. Almost any positive proposal the right wants to block is left by default and socialist by the kiddies. It's not just hostility by the intellectually corrupt right wing that doesn't even acknowledge the significance of social democracy. Social democracy=socialism=communism, a view that turns history into mush. These kids should very much get off my lawn.

No, he thinks he is a democratic socialist and is wrong, because he is actually a social democrat. Labels are labels. Policy is policy. The right fearmongers Venezuela in order to protect the rigged system for the 1 %. The US NEEDS the policies Bernie Sanders proposes regardless of how we label them and he is the best person to make those policies happen. That's why he must became the president.
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« Reply #297 on: August 15, 2019, 02:36:22 AM »
The countries you mention are just as oligarchic as the US.

You give zero data for your claim. Gini data doesn't support your claim. You are veru ignorant if you think say Sweden is as oligachic than the US. See how "green" Sweden is. The US is pink, so is Russia a known oligarchy. Only African counties, china etc. shitholes are worse...

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« Reply #298 on: August 15, 2019, 03:00:39 AM »
The Gini index should not be thought of as measuring the well-being of countries and their citizens. Kazakhstan, Afghanistan, Ethiopia and a few other god forsaken places look quite green on that map. And yet, I have no desire to move there...

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« Reply #299 on: August 15, 2019, 03:22:48 AM »
The Gini index should not be thought of as measuring the well-being of countries and their citizens. Kazakhstan, Afghanistan, Ethiopia and a few other god forsaken places look quite green on that map. And yet, I have no desire to move there...

Yeah, but this is not about how rich or poor a country is, but rather how the wealth is distributed. The US and Norway are two rich western countries. However, the wealth in Norway is distributed differently from the US. Why? Could it be the politics in Norway isn't for the top 1 % the same way it is in the US?

The lowest wages in Oslo are in the ballpark of $20 per hour. Compare that to the minimum wages in the US.  ;D
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