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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #180 on: December 08, 2016, 09:42:46 AM »
I wish I'd had this Lp when I was a youngster! Listening to Vaughan Williams meets the Empire Strikes Back now,on a a very good example of the once popular musicassette,which I bought secondhand. I'll have to turn over for the finale! :( ;D (The machine can play the other side,but cassette decks not being plentiful these days,I don't want to stress the tape heads!)



Regarding the box set of Symphonies 4,5 & 8. I haven't posted about this yet;but it doesn't mean I wasn't too excited by what I heard. In fact,there were two reasons why I didn't. One was because these symphonies aren't quite as easy a listen as you might expect. They are quite complex works and written on a large scale,so it actually takes a while to get a grasp of them. Repeated listenings help! This,a bit of a surprise when you think of Lloyd's popular image as a purveyor of easily accessible tonal music. Okay,we're not talking Mahler or Shostakovich here;but they do take a bit of time to get your head around. Another reason why these symphonies are such a satisfying listen,besides the fact that they are full of lovely melodies and often very exciting orchestration. Shallow,superficial imho,they are not. In fact I was very impressed by everything I heard. As to the second reason I didn't post earlier. Just things to do and other newer cds to plough through......!!!

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #181 on: December 08, 2016, 10:11:15 AM »
Lloyd's 4th and 7th are my favourites but I have a soft spot for No.11 which is the only one I've seen live and also Piano concertos 1 'Scapegoat' and 3. The Symphony 11 and PC.3 remind me of Khachaturian.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #182 on: December 08, 2016, 10:47:23 AM »
No's 4,5 & 7 are my favourites........but I think I like No 11 as well! I think the Fifth was the first I ever heard.......on Radio 3,in the 80's. I taped it twice. No 7 was the first one I ever owned on cd. Unfortunately,I later sold it!! ::) I now have it on cassette. I quite like old analogue gadgets,and now & again I have a musicassette session. I listened to Handel's Solomon earlier!! Lloyd's Piano Concerto no 3 is on now. Yes,if you like Khatchaturian you're going to need to hear Lloyd's Eleventh Symphony and Piano Concerto No 3. Not that there's anything Armenian about them;but they have that same technicolor feel about them. Also,they both have wonderful slow movements;although I think the Khatchaturian is the finer of the two. But enough of comparisons. They should be enjoyed on their own terms!

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #183 on: December 08, 2016, 01:36:04 PM »
No's 4,5 & 7 are my favourites........but I think I like No 11 as well! I think the Fifth was the first I ever heard.......on Radio 3,in the 80's. I taped it twice. No 7 was the first one I ever owned on cd. Unfortunately,I later sold it!! ::) I now have it on cassette. I quite like old analogue gadgets,and now & again I have a musicassette session. I listened to Handel's Solomon earlier!! Lloyd's Piano Concerto no 3 is on now. Yes,if you like Khatchaturian you're going to need to hear Lloyd's Eleventh Symphony and Piano Concerto No 3. Not that there's anything Armenian about them;but they have that same technicolor feel about them. Also,they both have wonderful slow movements;although I think the Khatchaturian is the finer of the two. But enough of comparisons. They should be enjoyed on their own terms!
Totally agree with you. The PC 3 has a powerful slow movement which according to GL represents the fear of the 'knock on the door' in the night felt by those living in occupied countries in World War Two. Thematically it reminds me of the score to the original black and white film of 'The Diary of Anne Frank' composed, I think, by Alfred Newman.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #184 on: March 22, 2017, 05:00:21 PM »
I found the symphonies good but not excellent. The most satisfactory ones for my were the 3rd (great slow movement), 4th (glowing ending), 8th, 11st and 12nd (the 7th did not seem so good  :( , I did not want to express that). I think that the No. 12 is a fitting conclusion for this cycle of symphonies.

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #185 on: August 09, 2017, 12:58:48 PM »
New release which I've ordered for the poetic Symphony 7. Together with No.4 it is my favourite symphony by George Lloyd:

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #186 on: August 09, 2017, 01:31:26 PM »
And you get the two for your money! I have the original Conifer musicassette of the Seventh,which I sometimes play on my cassette deck (not much point putting it on my cd player! ::)). I actually,prefer the Fifth to the Fourth symphony. The Seventh is my favourite. The Fifth was the first George Lloyd symphony I ever heard.

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #187 on: August 09, 2017, 01:45:06 PM »
And you get the two for your money! I have the original Conifer musicassette of the Seventh,which I sometimes play on my cassette deck (not much point putting it on my cd player! ::)). I actually,prefer the Fifth to the Fourth symphony. The Seventh is my favourite. The Fifth was the first George Lloyd symphony I ever heard.
Thanks. No.8 on a fine old Lyrita LP was my first encounter with Lloyd. Apart from 4 and 7, 5,8,11 and 12 are my favourites along with the piano concerto 'Scapegoat' and the Khachaturian-like Piano Concerto No.3, which also reminds me in sections of Alfred Newman's fine score for the original film of 'The Diary of Anne Frank'.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #188 on: August 09, 2017, 02:12:46 PM »
Oops yes! I forgot about the Piano Concerto No 3. I also have that one on a conifer cassette. That is definitely one of my favourites. I don't know the 'Scapegoat'. Do you prefer that to third,by the way? The Piano concerto No 3 is a bit of a blockbuster in it's own way. I love that slow movement.

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #189 on: August 09, 2017, 02:40:46 PM »
Oops yes! I forgot about the Piano Concerto No 3. I also have that one on a conifer cassette. That is definitely one of my favourites. I don't know the 'Scapegoat'. Do you prefer that to third,by the way? The Piano concerto No 3 is a bit of a blockbuster in it's own way. I love that slow movement.
'Scapegoat' is more poetic and restrained but rather moving - reminds me a bit of Symphony 7. I think it's his best PC although I thoroughly enjoy No.3.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #190 on: August 09, 2017, 04:50:02 PM »
New release which I've ordered for the poetic Symphony 7. Together with No.4 it is my favourite symphony by George Lloyd:


Vandermolen, I like your style.  I agree with you.

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #191 on: August 10, 2017, 12:47:55 AM »
'Scapegoat' is more poetic and restrained but rather moving - reminds me a bit of Symphony 7. I think it's his best PC although I thoroughly enjoy No.3.
I'm going to have to hear that one,when I can? I will resist it for the time being,as I've just bought a couple of cd's and a book. One of the purchases was the new Lyrita,Daniel Jones cd.
I have read some posts at the Art Music Forum,suggesting frustration that Lyrita have released a cd of Lloyd's Symphonies 6 & 7,when they could have released something that isn't available on cd. I can understand their frustration;but they've just brought out more Daniel Jones,and a 2cd set of Fricker symphonies is going to be released in October. Anyway,composer's interpretations are always interesting,and the Seventh is one of George Lloyd's best;so I'm quite happy with this release! :) I gather the Sixth is in a more light hearted vein? I believe Sarge like it. But then I gather he likes them all,and is what you migh call,a big fan! He posted a,sort of,'guide' to his Symphonies on this thread,I seem to remember,quite some posts ago,and I must look at it again.

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #192 on: August 10, 2017, 02:45:08 PM »
Vandermolen, I like your style.  I agree with you.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #193 on: August 10, 2017, 02:49:28 PM »
I'm going to have to hear that one,when I can? I will resist it for the time being,as I've just bought a couple of cd's and a book. One of the purchases was the new Lyrita,Daniel Jones cd.
I have read some posts at the Art Music Forum,suggesting frustration that Lyrita have released a cd of Lloyd's Symphonies 6 & 7,when they could have released something that isn't available on cd. I can understand their frustration;but they've just brought out more Daniel Jones,and a 2cd set of Fricker symphonies is going to be released in October. Anyway,composer's interpretations are always interesting,and the Seventh is one of George Lloyd's best;so I'm quite happy with this release! :) I gather the Sixth is in a more light hearted vein? I believe Sarge like it. But then I gather he likes them all,and is what you migh call,a big fan! He posted a,sort of,'guide' to his Symphonies on this thread,I seem to remember,quite some posts ago,and I must look at it again.
No.7 has more appeal than No.6. So far I've resisted the temptation to buy the Daniel Jones CD including Symphony 2 but I've greatly enjoyed Symphony 1. I just wish that Lyrita would release Ruth Gipps's Symphony 4.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #194 on: August 10, 2017, 11:06:38 PM »
As far as one can tell from the short sample tracks on Amazon UK the performance of Symphony 7 on the forthcoming Lyrita CD (Downes) is more urgent and quite different to George Lloyd's more reflective recording on Conifer. I really look forward to hearing the whole symphony on Lyrita.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #195 on: August 10, 2017, 11:21:15 PM »
Just got a hold of a copy of the 11th. Look forward to listening to it!
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #196 on: August 11, 2017, 12:07:53 AM »
Just got a hold of a copy of the 11th. Look forward to listening to it!
Great stuff! It's the only one I've heard live with George Lloyd conducting at the Barbican in London. It reminds me of Khachaturian in places as does Lloyd's Third Piano Concerto. It (Symphony 11 and PC 3) has a very catchy theme in the last movement.
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #197 on: August 11, 2017, 12:08:19 AM »
Still have not followed up on my early 2016 promise to check out Lloyd's music.  I should rectify that - I keep getting diverted by somewhat "forgotten" 1850-1930 Romantics and so on.

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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #198 on: August 11, 2017, 01:01:37 PM »
Still have not followed up on my early 2016 promise to check out Lloyd's music.  I should rectify that - I keep getting diverted by somewhat "forgotten" 1850-1930 Romantics and so on.


Yes, get on with it! 8)
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Re: George Lloyd
« Reply #199 on: August 17, 2017, 06:12:09 AM »
New release which I've ordered for the poetic Symphony 7. Together with No.4 it is my favourite symphony by George Lloyd:



Does anyone know when this will be released?  I don't see it on Amazon or lytira's website.

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