Quiz: Mystery scores

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EigenUser

Quote from: amw on September 05, 2014, 02:57:24 PM
Indeed it is. Last page
;D

Here are some more, in approximate order of difficulty. Numbers 11 and 12 should be fairly easy, 13 less so, 14 very difficult, and 15 I expect to be brutal. I could be wrong, though.

Number 14 in particular is very close to me. As obscure as it might be, it is one of my favorite SQs of all time.

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15.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Maciek


EigenUser

Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 05:15:41 PM
Would 15 be Milhaud?
Okay, seriously, how the hell did you do that?! There isn't even a recording of the piece yet, as enticing as it looks.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

kishnevi

14
English speaking composer who uses the human pulse as a tempo indication.
My first guess would be Corigliano.

Maciek

Nope, 14 is Mackey Ars Moriendi, middle of 1st mvt (Don't trouble trouble). Whew, time to sleep. Good night!

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: EigenUser on September 05, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
;D

Here are some more, in approximate order of difficulty. Numbers 11 and 12 should be fairly easy, 13 less so, 14 very difficult, and 15 I expect to be brutal. I could be wrong, though.

12 here is the Schoenberg piano concerto.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Luke

At first glance the first of these new ones, #11, has a look of Messiaen about it, perhaps Et Expecto or Couleurs de la Cite Celeste, but honestly, I've hardly looked at it properly, so now I'm going in again, more properly.... And the Schoenberg I knew, but never mind  ;D

Luke

Still looks like Messiaen, but it isn't either of the two pieces I mentioned....  :-\

Luke

Is it La Transfiguration? I haven't seen that score for about 18 years, but it's from the same time period as the two works I mentioned and closer examination shows a much bigger orchestra than the page you have supplied, the same orchestra as in La Transfiguration I think. I don't think it's one of the late works, but I might be wrong.

EigenUser

Quote from: Maciek on September 05, 2014, 06:08:10 PM
Nope, 14 is Mackey Ars Moriendi, middle of 1st mvt (Don't trouble trouble). Whew, time to sleep. Good night!
>:( These weren't supposed to be easy!

I suppose you are either a fan of Mackey or you saw my posts about his SQ...

Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 01:11:07 AM
Is it La Transfiguration? I haven't seen that score for about 18 years, but it's from the same time period as the two works I mentioned and closer examination shows a much bigger orchestra than the page you have supplied, the same orchestra as in La Transfiguration I think. I don't think it's one of the late works, but I might be wrong.
It is Messiaen, but it isn't La Transfiguration..., Colours de la Cite Celeste, or Et Exspecto... (I almost posted the latter). You're so close!
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Maciek

Isn't it perhaps Éclairs? (I actually typed this in before you posted. ;D)

EigenUser

Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 01:39:33 AM
Isn't it perhaps Éclairs? (I actually typed this in before you posted. ;D)
Nope! (HA-- for once you are wrong :D).

There aren't many things left to guess. You could say that this piece had an unusual source of inspiration for Messiaen, but not surprising when you think about it. This is my favorite section from the piece (not that this helps...).
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

amw

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Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 01:39:33 AM
Isn't it perhaps Éclairs? (I actually typed this in before you posted. ;D)
Orchestra's way too small for that >.>

It is almost certainly Des canyons aux étoiles but I'm not completely sure what movement as of yet

Will randomly guess somewhere in Bryce Canyon et les rochers rouge-orange.

I feel like EigenUser's #13 might be Ohana (one of the two works for piano and orchestra) but don't know for certain. Clearly French/francophone, not Dutilleux or Messiaen, but similar to both...

amw

Quote from: EigenUser on September 05, 2014, 05:22:05 PM
Okay, seriously, how the hell did you do that?! There isn't even a recording of the piece yet, as enticing as it looks.

The composer's not hard to guess, but no idea which of his 716043943290,84378291058492 as-yet-unrecorded works it could be. Or how to tell them apart for that matter. >.> (sorry that was mean)

Maciek


Maciek

Quote from: amw on September 06, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
It is almost certainly Des canyons aux étoiles

That would explain why the xylorimba is underlined. :)

Luke

That's the one possible score I didn't bother to check through, because I didn't remember this page at all, was sure it wasn't it! How shameful!   :-[


(the day I found all three volumes of that score for about £20, in Brian Jordan's in Cambridge - a day I will always remember!)

EigenUser

Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2014, 02:01:46 AM
Suite en sol.
Has this post been of any help? :P
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,13493.msg813197.html#msg813197

BTW, it might sound like I'm annoyed, but I'm not at all. I would have done the same thing ;D! Or do you really know the Milhaud (i.e. seen it performed live or seen the score)? Just curious, because I couldn't find any information on that piece (I purchased it because I got it at very low price -- like $2 -- and its price sticker said something like $60).

I talk way too much about certain pieces here, so I suppose my choices are kind of obvious :-\. Oh well, I bring it upon myself.

Quote from: amw on September 06, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
Orchestra's way too small for that >.>

It is almost certainly Des canyons aux étoiles but I'm not completely sure what movement as of yet
It is Des Canyons aux Etoiles (volume II), Bryce Canyon et les Rochers Rouge-Orange (the movement following the famous Appel Interstellaire). Great piece, even though it is a bit hard to wrap my head around. It seems odd that a French composer would be inspired by the landscape of Utah, but when you think about the scale and grandiosity of Messiaen's music it actually seems to make sense.

Quote from: amw on September 06, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
I feel like EigenUser's #13 might be Ohana (one of the two works for piano and orchestra) but don't know for certain. Clearly French/francophone, not Dutilleux or Messiaen, but similar to both...
Yup, the PC. I still really, really want the score for the CC In Dark and Blue!
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

EigenUser

Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:18:09 AM
(the day I found all three volumes of that score for about £20, in Brian Jordan's in Cambridge - a day I will always remember!)
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
You LUCKY b******! What the hell is it with Messiaen's scores? WHY must they be so freakin' expensive? It's that stupid Alphonse-Leduc publisher. Durand doesn't help either, with their $205 pocket score of the Turangalila-Symphonie. You know, I purchased Et Exspecto Resurrectionum Mortuorum online because it was on sale at sheetmusicplus.com (still at a pricey $55-ish). It was one of the shoddiest things I have bought. The binding looks like it is going to give way already and the printing is just very poor quality. I was so upset when I received it that I almost wrote a letter to Alphonse-Leduc. The opera St. Francois d'Assisse is roughly $2500-$3000, making it nearly unobtainable

Why can't they be more like Schott? All of the Ligeti scores I have are beautifully put together (many even with computerized typesetting, but even the old engraved ones are nice), large study-score format (8.5''x11''), and cheap (especially for a composer still under copyright worldwide)! I am very picky about the quality of scores I have.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

amw

Quote from: Luke on September 06, 2014, 02:18:09 AM
(the day I found all three volumes of that score for about £20, in Brian Jordan's in Cambridge - a day I will always remember!)
Sounds like you got a bit luckier than me (at least price wise). Brian Jordan's always has something tempting, I believe I went in to buy a copy of the Well-Tempered Clavier and came away with Ligeti's Requiem and Horn Trio, Lutosławski's Livre pour orchestre, a string quartet by Skalkottas and an armful of other random stuff. (And now I live in a country with no classical music retailers, lol.)