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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #220 on: August 29, 2017, 12:03:13 AM »
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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #221 on: August 29, 2017, 08:37:52 AM »
My impression of Frank Martin is that he's a modernist who is still composing harmonically. Modernist in that he is using modernist ideas, like using the entire chromatic set, and using it geometrically instead of dividing the octave at the fourth and fifth. That leaves (not counting inversions) the intervals (in semitones): 1 (m2), 2 (M2), 3 (m3), 4 (M3), and tritone. That totals 6 intervals (the fourth and fifth are inversions of each other, so count as one).

As is usual in such modernist thinking, this tends towards 'diminished-itis', a result of inward-spiraling/recurring smaller intervals, opposed to the outgoing fourths and fifths of tonality. More localized focal-points are formed, pseudo-tonalities can 'cycle through the octaves fleetingly, kaleidoscopically, recursively, fractally self-similarly. His thinking, to me, is close to Bartok. His orchestration and ideas about form and instrumentation are one of his greatest strengths.

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Re: Frank Martin Overview
« Reply #222 on: August 30, 2017, 08:22:21 PM »
*bump*

I've been plowing through Martin to reacquaint myself. I'm finding, as with Szymanowski, my last impressions still hold. His Works List is relatively small, and I don't think I discovered anything this time.

Other than the Vocal Music, for which I'm just not going to venture, this is what I found:

1) Piano Music: many recitals of the 'Complete'. I just can't get excited.   
     Passacaille for organ: nice meditative start which I felt was marred by the loud tail- not my bag
     ***Sonata da Chiesa for organ and flute: this I like!

2) Chamber Music: in general, I'm not finding anything that I'm particularly excited about. The 1965 String Quartet (Amati/SQ/Divox) is still his masterpiece here, and it "sounds like Martin" to a high degree. I call it the "cortege sound", if you understand that Martinu-like rhythmic motif (like a "jump" beat) that Martin seems to use in all his music.

3) Concertos:

Piano 1 (1934)- this one's aaalright, but I'm normally not eager for more French styled PCs.
Piano 2 (1969)- obviously more interest... mm,... eh...

Harpsichord (1954)- powerful opening, but it wore on me a little by the end.

Violin (1951)- I don't know why I don't love this,... I just don't get it

Polyptyque (Violin No.2;1971)- I heard the Jecklin, which was very passionate. I imagine the more modern issues would be even more sumptuous. Though not really my cup of tea, I found this the most powerful of the works I heard.

Cello (1965)- I NEED to hear this

7 Winds (1949)- I just don't go for this, or the Etudes,... eh



Erasmi Monumentum- not my bag
Four Elements- sufficiently different from the normal Martin sound
Symphonie- not my bag


I already have all the little bits... the Chandos 'Ballade' CD may be the single best Martin disc!

As far as PETITE goes, I have Wand. I tried many others... who do you like?
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Re: Frank Martin Overview
« Reply #223 on: August 30, 2017, 08:29:59 PM »

3) Concertos:

Cello (1965)- I NEED to hear this

Well, then, get on with it, man!! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSvWo2I-XLM&t=11s

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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #224 on: August 30, 2017, 08:32:44 PM »
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if you want something a bit wee'r try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FazDrecgV2M

>>>>>>> or for a more Magyar take on it that emphasizes the forced evacuation of those sheep-herding Vlachs out of Transylvania try >>>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxVZAml4kV8

 ;D

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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #225 on: August 31, 2017, 08:14:21 PM »
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if you want something a bit wee'r try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FazDrecgV2M

>>>>>>> or for a more Magyar take on it that emphasizes the forced evacuation of those sheep-herding Vlachs out of Transylvania try >>>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxVZAml4kV8

 ;D

Don't get me wrong. That ' Ballades' disc is great. PSC is ever so charming. I have a special place for Frank Martin; but, I want to like more of him and I'm not getting there yet.

'The Four Elements' sounds about the most interesting...?...
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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #226 on: September 01, 2017, 10:55:33 AM »
I heard his Violin Concerto performed live by Baiba Skride a few years ago. It was pretty cool.

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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #227 on: September 01, 2017, 06:30:04 PM »
Frank Martin is a fabulous composer. Works of his such as the Requiem, Golgotha, the Cello Concerto, the Ballades, Polyptyque, and In terra pax are nothing short than extraordinary. It’s always baffled me as to why he’s not better known, but I’m sure it more or less has to do with how his musical voice is sometimes rather ambiguous and he doesn’t go for the grab-you-by-the-throat climaxes a la Shostakovich or Bartok. His art is of subtlety and color. Once you start investigating the music and really listen to how it all fits together, you start to understand that he actually had quite a singular voice.
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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #228 on: September 01, 2017, 08:11:58 PM »
Frank Martin is a fabulous composer. Works of his such as the Requiem, Golgotha, the Cello Concerto, the Ballades, Polyptyque, and In terra pax are nothing short than extraordinary. It’s always baffled me as to why he’s not better known, but I’m sure it more or less has to do with how his musical voice is sometimes rather ambiguous and he doesn’t go for the grab-you-by-the-throat climaxes a la Shostakovich or Bartok. His art is of subtlety and color. Once you start investigating the music and really listen to how it all fits together, you start to understand that he actually had quite a singular voice.
V much agree with this.
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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #229 on: September 01, 2017, 08:15:40 PM »
V much agree with this.

Kudos, Jeffrey. 8)
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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #230 on: September 01, 2017, 11:32:53 PM »
Frank Martin is a fabulous composer. Works of his such as the Requiem, Golgotha, the Cello Concerto, the Ballades, Polyptyque, and In terra pax are nothing short than extraordinary. It’s always baffled me as to why he’s not better known, but I’m sure it more or less has to do with how his musical voice is sometimes rather ambiguous and he doesn’t go for the grab-you-by-the-throat climaxes a la Shostakovich or Bartok. His art is of subtlety and color. Once you start investigating the music and really listen to how it all fits together, you start to understand that he actually had quite a singular voice.
Me too John. I think you hit the spot in your analysis. And to the works let me add Der Cornett, a fabulous song cycle for soprano and string orchestra

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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #231 on: September 02, 2017, 12:08:42 AM »
I had an uncle who was married to a Swiss lady. I remember him telling me that Frank Martin was his favourite composer.
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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #232 on: September 02, 2017, 09:22:53 AM »
Me too John. I think you hit the spot in your analysis. And to the works let me add Der Cornett, a fabulous song cycle for soprano and string orchestra

Thanks, erato. Yes, that’s another fine work (Der Cornett). I’ll also just add that Martin’s chamber music is quite delectable.
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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #233 on: September 04, 2017, 06:53:41 PM »
Frank Martin is a fabulous composer. Works of his such as the Requiem, Golgotha, the Cello Concerto, the Ballades, Polyptyque, and In terra pax are nothing short than extraordinary. It’s always baffled me as to why he’s not better known, but I’m sure it more or less has to do with how his musical voice is sometimes rather ambiguous and he doesn’t go for the grab-you-by-the-throat climaxes a la Shostakovich or Bartok. His art is of subtlety and color. Once you start investigating the music and really listen to how it all fits together, you start to understand that he actually had quite a singular voice.s

But, like Martinu, he had a perpetual motif in most of the mature works that has left me wanting what I have: the Petite, the Chandos Ballades, and the String Quartet, and some random trifles. Maybe I'll try 'in terra pax',...?...
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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #234 on: September 05, 2017, 03:12:51 PM »
Martin is one of the forgotten masters of the 20th century, IMO. I had the rare opportunity to attend a live performance of his "In terra pax" this summer by the Grant Park Orchestra and Chorus. What a moving, uplifting work.

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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #235 on: September 05, 2017, 09:49:07 PM »
I've been fortunate enough to see Le Vin herbé (another masterpiece) live under Masaaki Suzuki here in Bergen.

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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #236 on: September 05, 2017, 11:56:09 PM »
Listened to a favorite tonight, the Concerto for seven wind instruments, timpani, percussion, and string orchestra in the Martinon/Chicago box.  Brilliant.

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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #237 on: September 06, 2017, 08:00:57 PM »
Martin is one of the forgotten masters of the 20th century, IMO. I had the rare opportunity to attend a live performance of his "In terra pax" this summer by the Grant Park Orchestra and Chorus. What a moving, uplifting work.

Clearly not forgotten by us here on GMG! ;D
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Re: Frank Martin
« Reply #238 on: September 13, 2017, 07:02:48 AM »
I was transfixed the first time I heard Martin's Mass for double choir and later, Golgotha and the two PCs and the Cello Concerto. But I'm guilty of neglecting some of the works mentioned in the thread. He is worthy of being the "headliner" but he seems underappreciated for whatever reason.

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