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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13980 on: May 27, 2012, 04:22:54 AM »
Love that movie! But you need to watch it with the right expectations.

Very true, and that expectation is called a "Michael Bay Movie". They are all horrendous, but full of eye-candy and sometimes humorous.

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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13981 on: May 27, 2012, 04:32:50 AM »
Last night (and for the first time, somehow): Die Hard With a Vengeance
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13982 on: May 27, 2012, 05:10:35 AM »


Kung Fu Panda 2

The first Kung Fu Panda was enjoyable, but nothing that interested me in hoping for a sequel, but caught part 2 on HBO last night and was stunned by how good it was. The story, action, characters and music were top notch, even a little emotional at times. I would definitely recommend it.

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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13983 on: May 27, 2012, 08:24:41 AM »
Holy shit is this horrendous!



Yet you enjoyed
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13984 on: May 27, 2012, 08:40:08 AM »
Hmmm....  I never saw it as a "happy ending," and the subtle VO revelation that Deckard, too, is a skin-job, makes for a delicious twist on both the book and the "Director's Cut."

Apart from the base truism that yours is every bit as valid a take as mine, Dave — yours is a view apt to be better informed than mine here.  I saw the original theatrical release — and then I did not manage to see it again, complete, until the release of the "Final Cut."

So, for my response to the original release, I am relying on long-cured memory. Probably all I can say in complete candor is, that the sight of the peaceful country cruise at the end, a calm pastoral powerful of impact simply because of the contrast against the dark grime of the "LA of the future" in which the entire movie was played out, plus the voice-over, created for me a vibe of "there, there, it's all right."

Also, somehow I have this idea that I "knew" that Harrison Ford did that voice-over under a kind of constraint, long before I learnt of the circumstances of that post-production bit.  I don't pretend to be able to parse that . . . .

Did I know from that initial viewing that Deckard was a replicant?  I don't think so;  somehow I carry still an impression that this was a point which mates of mine were arguing, with neither side really able to convince the other.

In the "Final Cut," the point is made with delicious subtlety, by Deckard finding Gaff's origami of a unicorn in his apartment.

The wonderful thing, though, is how, even thought I saw it (I mean, prior to my fetching it in on DVD, relatively recently) only that once, in the cinema, the film left a fantastically rich impression upon me, so that it was "one of my favorite movies," even though for much of my life, I did not find any opportunity to view it, and certainly not in full.
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13985 on: May 27, 2012, 12:09:41 PM »
Apart from the base truism that yours is every bit as valid a take as mine, Dave — yours is a view apt to be better informed than mine here.  I saw the original theatrical release — and then I did not manage to see it again, complete, until the release of the "Final Cut."

So, for my response to the original release, I am relying on long-cured memory. Probably all I can say in complete candor is, that the sight of the peaceful country cruise at the end, a calm pastoral powerful of impact simply because of the contrast against the dark grime of the "LA of the future" in which the entire movie was played out, plus the voice-over, created for me a vibe of "there, there, it's all right."

Also, somehow I have this idea that I "knew" that Harrison Ford did that voice-over under a kind of constraint, long before I learnt of the circumstances of that post-production bit.  I don't pretend to be able to parse that . . . .

Did I know from that initial viewing that Deckard was a replicant?  I don't think so;  somehow I carry still an impression that this was a point which mates of mine were arguing, with neither side really able to convince the other.

In the "Final Cut," the point is made with delicious subtlety, by Deckard finding Gaff's origami of a unicorn in his apartment.

The wonderful thing, though, is how, even thought I saw it (I mean, prior to my fetching it in on DVD, relatively recently) only that once, in the cinema, the film left a fantastically rich impression upon me, so that it was "one of my favorite movies," even though for much of my life, I did not find any opportunity to view it, and certainly not in full.

Yes. It hasn't held up as well as some other faves, but I was so blown away by the rich imagery of the created world and the powerful story and performances that I went back to see it again the very next night. There are subtle hints about Deckard throughout the movie--like his big display of family photos--and then as they're fleeing to the unknown at the end (encouraged by Gaff's warning), Deckard's last line is something like, "Who knows how long we'll have together." Of course no one ever knows how long they'll have, but in the case of two skin jobs with no built-in termination date, the statement has special resonance.
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13986 on: May 27, 2012, 03:48:32 PM »
Yes. It hasn't held up as well as some other faves, but I was so blown away by the rich imagery of the created world and the powerful story and performances that I went back to see it again the very next night. There are subtle hints about Deckard throughout the movie . . . .

Yes; not sure how revisionist (possibly inadvertently) Ridley Scott might have been when in an interview he saod that Deckard was always a replicant.  It may well have been an ongoing debate as the script evolved; and the original release struck me as an ambiguous document.

Deckard's line, "How can it not know what it is?," takes on wonderfully rich irony, of course.  Rather a pity that he was not created with the superhuman strength of the runaways he was charged with tracking down!

When afterwards I saw the set they used, I was astonished that Scott had created the impression of such great space, out of so cramped a lot!  The discussion is making me keen to break out the DVD . . . but for now:

The Two Towers, special extended edition, disc 1.  No news:  in some respects, dazzling execution.  Watching this particular stretch of Jackson's adaptation, I find that I hardly recognize the story, with all the wormy changes, nor the characters.  Makes me wish his team of writers had just written their own damned story . . . .
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13987 on: May 27, 2012, 04:06:31 PM »



I had to suffer through another Harry Potter film.  Just awful.  Only the presence of Brendan Gleeson and Ralph Fiennes prevented me from going mad.
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13988 on: May 27, 2012, 05:37:42 PM »
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13989 on: May 27, 2012, 06:05:35 PM »
 
He was a robot all along!

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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13990 on: May 27, 2012, 06:10:08 PM »
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13991 on: May 27, 2012, 06:17:06 PM »
Yet you enjoyed

I think you were reading someone else's comments because I didn't say whether or not I enjoyed Trespass.

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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13992 on: May 27, 2012, 06:18:36 PM »
For anyone interested in Blade Runner and its (painful) creation, I heartily recommend the engrossing documentary Dangerous Days that can be found on the Final Cut release. It will answer most, if not all of your questions, gentlemen.

In any case, the original theatrical version has no major hints of Deckard being a replicant - unicorn scene is cut & the hastily added voiceover (though the first draft of the screenplay actually utilised a - different - VO) explains only that Rachael doesn't have a limited life span, hence the "happy ending" (enhanced by the countryside scenery). The subtlety is still there (e.g. photographs in Deckard's apartment) but the producers moved the story away from Scott's intentions.

If we go by the book, though, then Deckard is human.

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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13993 on: May 27, 2012, 06:20:05 PM »
I'm from the Confidential Committee on Moral Abuses.
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13994 on: May 27, 2012, 06:22:20 PM »
Love that movie! But you need to watch it with the right expectations.

And what might those be?

Very true, and that expectation is called a "Michael Bay Movie". They are all horrendous, but full of eye-candy and sometimes humorous.

But this one lacked eye-candy and humor, in fact even the action sequences were just shit, which is something Bay should know how to do.

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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13995 on: May 27, 2012, 06:25:27 PM »


GREAT movie!
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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13996 on: May 27, 2012, 06:43:43 PM »
In any case, the original theatrical version has no major hints of Deckard being a replicant - unicorn scene is cut & the hastily added voiceover (though the first draft of the screenplay actually utilised a - different - VO) explains only that Rachael doesn't have a limited life span, hence the "happy ending" (enhanced by the countryside scenery). The subtlety is still there (e.g. photographs in Deckard's apartment) but the producers moved the story away from Scott's intentions.

I'm one of those who prefer the theatrical version. I find Ford's Philip Marlowe-esque voiceover hugely enjoyable, and appropriate to the obvious noir shape of the film.  The ending is admittedly odd, but so deliberately unreal I think it works despite its origins.

On the other hand, the studio-created "director's cut" (I haven't seen the "final cut") splices the unicorn scene (outtake from Legend) into the middle of what was a continuous tracking shot - very clumsily done. I also think revealing Deckard as a replicant in some way undermines the moral dilemma he's been grappling with, of whether he should regard replicants as human. If he's one of them, the question is moot.

I'd also like to point out that having family photos about the place is not evidence of being a replicant!

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« Reply #13997 on: May 27, 2012, 06:46:24 PM »
I'd also like to point out that having family photos about the place is not evidence of being a replicant!

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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13998 on: May 27, 2012, 07:05:28 PM »
Philo, where is your avatar from? I know I've seen that.

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Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Reply #13999 on: May 27, 2012, 07:09:37 PM »
Philo, where is your avatar from? I know I've seen that.

Tales from the Darkside, the episode is Distant Signals.

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