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karlhenning

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Re: Tchaikovsky
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2007, 02:58:59 AM »
Tschaikovsky, no less than Johann Strauss Jr., was a competent and melodious craftsman of the Waltz.

No less a waltz artist, at all, ZB!

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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2007, 03:00:30 AM »
The Naxos recording of the two Suites for Orchestra was a nice surprise, especially in discovering where two of the pieces in the film "Music Lovers" came from.

Oh! And which two Suites (of the Opp. 43, 53, 55 & 61)?

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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2007, 04:20:16 AM »
Yesterday I saw on DVD "Anna Karenina" with beautiful music from the 6th symphony, and some balletmusic, and then I realize why I have him as a Avatar, Suites and all. ;D
For me personally he is almost the greatest........... ::)

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2007, 01:14:13 PM »
Oh! And which two Suites (of the Opp. 43, 53, 55 & 61)?
A quick look at Naxos.com says it's Op. 53 which contains the Scherzo Burlesque, and that ZB's CD has 43 as well. I would take a listen, but at the moment I am being enveloped by the surprising late-romantic soundworld of Manolis Kalomiris...

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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2007, 09:32:10 AM »
No less a waltz artist, at all, ZB!

Yes, imagine dancing a 5/4 Waltz (1-2-3,1-2...)!!

But seriously, by the time Tschaikovsky came along the Waltz could afford to be stylized. And of course those by Richard Strauss and Ravel enter the realms of super sophisticated.

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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2007, 06:12:05 AM »
The Naxos recording of the two Suites for Orchestra was a nice surprise, especially in discovering where two of the pieces in the film "Music Lovers" came from. The "Scherzo Burlesque" from the 2nd Suite was quoted at length in the beginning, an amazing little composition inself with the rest of them eminently danceable. Tschaikovsky, no less than Johann Strauss Jr., was a competent and melodious craftsman of the Waltz. There are beautiful exemplars in the 2nd Suite, the Piano Trio and the Serenade for Strings. The Waltz in the Pathetique is ingenious in its 5/4 rhythm and as a matter of fact IS the "Scherzo".

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Re: Tchaikovsky
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2007, 05:50:38 AM »
Tchaikovsky is a decent composer.

  That's what I think of Mahler.   Hey to each his own.


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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2007, 08:44:40 AM »
  That's what I think of Mahler.   Hey to each his own.


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Mahler is a decent composer too.

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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2007, 09:23:11 AM »
Mahler is a decent composer too.

Only decent?

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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2007, 01:51:58 PM »
Only decent?


  Yes if Mozart, Wagner and Bach are impressively decent and Beethoven, Verdi and Tchaikovsky are quite decent then I'm afraid that Maher will only be decent.

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karlhenning

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Re: Tchaikovsky
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2007, 01:57:26 PM »
The Romance from Shostakovich's The Gadfly is exquisitely Tchaikovskyian.

mahlertitan

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2007, 02:55:12 PM »

  Yes if Mozart, Wagner and Bach are impressively decent and Beethoven, Verdi and Tchaikovsky are quite decent then I'm afraid that Maher will only be decent.

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Verdi? I am afraid that he is not even good enough to be rated, for he is not a composer of austro-german tradition.

mahlertitan

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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2007, 02:58:20 PM »
Only decent?
marvinbrown tries to retaliate by saying "Mahler is decent", well, i couldn't agree more. Atleast he didn't say "hey mahler sucks! or Dittersdorf is better or something 71db-ish", so "decent" is a huge improvement, in fact, i'll take "Mahler is decent" any day.

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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2007, 03:17:13 PM »
marvinbrown tries to retaliate by saying "Mahler is decent", well, i couldn't agree more. Atleast he didn't say "hey mahler sucks! or Dittersdorf is better or something 71db-ish", so "decent" is a huge improvement, in fact, i'll take "Mahler is decent" any day.

I haven't said Mahler sucks. I consider him a good symphonist but not "the greatest". Dittersdorf may be a little more interesting composer in my opinion but I regard him in very high esteem.
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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2007, 03:46:41 PM »
I haven't said Mahler sucks. I consider him a good symphonist but not "the greatest". Dittersdorf may be a little more interesting composer in my opinion but I regard him in very high esteem.

I would gladly take "Mahler sucks" than " Dittersdorf is more interesting composer", the latter is far worse, and i believe that there are people who agree with me

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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2007, 03:56:31 PM »
I would gladly take "Mahler sucks" than " Dittersdorf is more interesting composer", the latter is far worse, and i believe that there are people who agree with me

Why do some folks like Dittersdorf?  I find his music architecturally sound but woefully lacking in artistry.  In a contest with Mahler, I'd say Dittersdorf should restrict his activities to doing Mahler's laundry.

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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2007, 04:40:36 PM »
Now maybe we can talk about *cough* Tchaikovsky!!!

Comparing Mahler to Dittersdorf, by the way, is something I'd never have thought of.   ;D   

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2007, 06:36:02 PM »
marvinbrown tries to retaliate by saying "Mahler is decent", well, i couldn't agree more. Atleast he didn't say "hey mahler sucks! or Dittersdorf is better or something 71db-ish", so "decent" is a huge improvement, in fact, i'll take "Mahler is decent" any day.

Alright, that makes some sense.

Alright that makes some sense now.
I haven't said Mahler sucks. I consider him a good symphonist but not "the greatest". Dittersdorf may be a little more interesting composer in my opinion but I regard him in very high esteem.

At first, I wasn't going to say anything, but... Why was Dittersdorf more interesting than Mahler?

Verdi? I am afraid that he is not even good enough to be rated, for he is not a composer of austro-german tradition.

Are you referring to his orchestra output? If so, then there is, of course, very little to speak to, but if we take into consideration his numerous sacred works and operas, well, its another story entirely.

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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2007, 07:30:16 PM »
Are you referring to his orchestra output? If so, then there is, of course, very little to speak to, but if we take into consideration his numerous sacred works and operas, well, its another story entirely.

well, we judge the achievements of composers  base on their symphonies. Verdi was a great Opera composer, so it is only appropriate to compare him with other Opera Composers, not with symphonists.

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Re: Tchaikovsky
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2007, 02:52:33 AM »
I strongly prefer the original sextet to the string orchestra arrangement of Pyotr Ilyich's Souvenir de Florence.