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Re: Karl Amadeus Hartmann, Recommendations.
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« Reply #141 on: October 12, 2015, 07:19:09 PM »
Not only did this guy stick it out through the Nazi years, he actively resisted (not only) through his compositions.  Dangerous thing to do.

Just recently started to explore his piano music.
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Re: Karl Amadeus Hartmann, Recommendations.
« Reply #142 on: October 12, 2015, 07:40:45 PM »
Not only did this guy stick it out through the Nazi years, he actively resisted (not only) through his compositions.  Dangerous thing to do.

Just recently started to explore his piano music.

How he wasn't killed by the Nazis is beyond me, but I'm certainly glad they didn't as he gave us some of the most ferocious and powerful music of the 20th Century. The first work I heard from Hartmann was his Symphony No. 2 and I was instantly hooked.
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Re: Karl Amadeus Hartmann, Recommendations.
« Reply #143 on: December 20, 2016, 09:25:12 AM »
I need to go back and listen a couple of times more, but my initial hearing of Des Simplicius Simplicissimus Jugend was pure sonic delight.  I'm sure I should enjoy it yet more, if there were an English translation of the libretto (!!), but my ignorance did not interfere with my admiration of the music.

Any source online of a translated libretto?...
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« Reply #144 on: December 20, 2016, 09:52:37 AM »
Cannot help with the libretto but the book it is based on is the most famous German novel of the 17th century (and one of the first German language novels). It is a sprawling picaresque story of a boy/young man (who goes by Simplicius Simplicissimus because he did not know his real name so a hermit who gave him some education called him the most simple-minded - of course he turns out to be quite clever) during the 30 years war. I am not sure if there is a decent English translation but I'd recommend it for everyone liking such early modern picaresque (including lots of brutality and some questionable potty humor) stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplicius_Simplicissimus
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« Reply #145 on: December 20, 2016, 10:04:28 AM »
Cannot help with the libretto but the book it is based on is the most famous German novel of the 17th century (and one of the first German language novels). It is a sprawling picaresque story of a boy/young man (who goes by Simplicius Simplicissimus because he did not know his real name so a hermit who gave him some education called him the most simple-minded - of course he turns out to be quite clever) during the 30 years war. I am not sure if there is a decent English translation but I'd recommend it for everyone liking such early modern picaresque (including lots of brutality and some questionable potty humor) stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplicius_Simplicissimus
And Der abenteuerliche Simplicissimus Teutsch is the Grimmelshausen book so dear to George Smiley (and that remains uncollected at his club at the end) in John La Carré's Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy...
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« Reply #146 on: December 20, 2016, 10:12:33 AM »
Thanks!
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« Reply #147 on: December 20, 2016, 11:28:05 AM »
I will get to work on that translation of the Simplicius libretto!
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« Reply #148 on: December 20, 2016, 11:46:14 AM »
Greatly appreciated!
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« Reply #149 on: December 21, 2016, 10:09:13 AM »
As promised: here is Part I of an English Translation (mine) of the text of Simplicius Simplicissimus: perhaps this will be an opportunity to enthuse more people about the opera.

Update: just fixed two small problems in the text.
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« Reply #150 on: December 21, 2016, 10:55:18 AM »
Cool!
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« Reply #151 on: August 31, 2018, 02:41:03 PM »
Nearly two years without a HARTMANN comment?!   ??? :o

I placed this under the What Are You Listening To Now? topic:

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Hartmann: Symphonies 6 and 7   (Call the fire department!  This music is HOT!)   $:)



I noticed that there is a new set (i.e. 2014) from the Netherlands Radio Philharmonic: any reviews?  It costs $60.00 or so, and I am wondering if the performances and sound beat Kubelik and Company in the WERGO.

Any experts here on that set?
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« Reply #152 on: August 31, 2018, 05:59:42 PM »
Nearly two years without a HARTMANN comment?!   ??? :o

I placed this under the What Are You Listening To Now? topic:

Any experts here on that set?

Arkivmusic has a Fanfare review:

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=1146461

And Amazon UK has some useful reviews:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Karl-Amadeus-Hartmann-Symphonies-Nos/dp/B00H1EOR3Y

I have both sets, and I think that the Challenge classics easily outclasses the old Wergo set.
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« Reply #153 on: August 31, 2018, 06:07:39 PM »
I have it. I see no reason to get another set. But I am not an avid Hartmannite.

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« Reply #154 on: August 31, 2018, 07:06:33 PM »
Nearly two years without a HARTMANN comment?!   ??? :o

I placed this under the What Are You Listening To Now? topic:

Any experts here on that set?

I don’t think much of the Metzmacher or this newer set from Challenge Classics. I have yet to hear anyone capture the magic that Kubelik did (not to mention the on conductors in that Wergo set like Ferdinand Leitner and the other conductor(s) slip my mind at the moment). I say just stick with the Wergo set.
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« Reply #155 on: September 01, 2018, 02:31:34 AM »
Arkivmusic has a Fanfare review:

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=1146461

And Amazon UK has some useful reviews:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Karl-Amadeus-Hartmann-Symphonies-Nos/dp/B00H1EOR3Y

I have both sets, and I think that the Challenge classics easily outclasses the old Wergo set.

I have it. I see no reason to get another set. But I am not an avid Hartmannite.

I don’t think much of the Metzmacher or this newer set from Challenge Classics. I have yet to hear anyone capture the magic that Kubelik did (not to mention the on conductors in that Wergo set like Ferdinand Leitner and the other conductor(s) slip my mind at the moment). I say just stick with the Wergo set.

Okay!  Many thanks for the responses!  It looks like I have some investigating and thinking to do!  I agree with the unenthusiastic responses about Metzmacher: somehow he is just not on the same level as the conductors from the good ol' days.  Of course, Rafael Kubelik is a legend across the board: it is difficult to surpass him.
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