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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1460 on: April 25, 2012, 11:07:23 AM »


You can see a picture of me on the same bench as Elgar on facebook, Ilaria! ;)
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1461 on: April 25, 2012, 11:17:25 AM »
You can see a picture of me on the same bench as Elgar on facebook, Ilaria! ;)

I remember it very well, I've already seen it. ;)

And Tunbridge Wells, Ilaria! (just kidding)

Haha, why not, after all isn't Kent widely known as the garden of England? ;D
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1462 on: April 29, 2012, 08:21:09 AM »
Mike, just going back to the CBSO Gerontius a few weeks ago, what was the organ situation for you? I was really hoping that they would take advantage of the Barbican organ which was amazing in a performance of the Alpine Symphony I saw a few years back, but they didn't, and the little stage organ they used did not come through too much. This is one of the only things that disappointed me about the concert. Still a beautiful concert which I remember very clearly though! :)

Sorry to be so tardy in reply: the organ in Birmingham came through firmly. I could see the organist quite well and when he was playing, I was aware of it. But it is nevertheless an integrated and supporting, rather than a star role.

As an aside, I am in chorus for the recording of the 'Spirit of England' that is being suggested. The main reason to get hold of it is that Teresa Cahill tingles the spine with a superbly sung and expressed performance. I wish there was so much more of her on disc. Also, it is a surpassingly beautiful piece of music. We had fun with the other piece which includes a really stirring setting of 'Land of Hope and Glory'.

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« Reply #1463 on: April 29, 2012, 09:28:46 AM »
Sorry to be so tardy in reply: the organ in Birmingham came through firmly. I could see the organist quite well and when he was playing, I was aware of it. But it is nevertheless an integrated and supporting, rather than a star role.

As an aside, I am in chorus for the recording of the 'Spirit of England' that is being suggested. The main reason to get hold of it is that Teresa Cahill tingles the spine with a superbly sung and expressed performance. I wish there was so much more of her on disc. Also, it is a surpassingly beautiful piece of music. We had fun with the other piece which includes a really stirring setting of 'Land of Hope and Glory'.

Mike

No problem, thanks for getting back to me. hmmm... so they used the hall organ? Instead of the smaller stage organ? I was hoping for more organ sound to come through in the performance I went to, could barely hear it, or feel any vibrations. A shame, but the performance was still great. :)

Great! I still need to get hold of that recording.
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1464 on: April 29, 2012, 12:16:22 PM »
As an aside, I am in chorus for the recording of the 'Spirit of England' that is being suggested. The main reason to get hold of it is that Teresa Cahill tingles the spine with a superbly sung and expressed performance. I wish there was so much more of her on disc. Also, it is a surpassingly beautiful piece of music. We had fun with the other piece which includes a really stirring setting of 'Land of Hope and Glory'.

@Daniel
I've said it so often that I'm completely out of new ways of saying it, but Mike is quite right.* Apart from Mike's presence in the chorus (which must have ensured the disc's success), Teresa Cahill finds such meaning in the words and the music, and achieves such a level of expression and character of singing, that she completely nails what Elgar was about at that period. Unsurpassable in my view.

Daniel, you really, really do need that record.



* Of course Mike is always right, but particularly so in this case.
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1465 on: April 29, 2012, 01:09:48 PM »
As an aside, I am in chorus for the recording of the 'Spirit of England' that is being suggested.

Mike

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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1466 on: April 29, 2012, 01:21:51 PM »
@Daniel
I've said it so often that I'm completely out of new ways of saying it, but Mike is quite right.* Apart from Mike's presence in the chorus (which must have ensured the disc's success), Teresa Cahill finds such meaning in the words and the music, and achieves such a level of expression and character of singing, that she completely nails what Elgar was about at that period. Unsurpassable in my view.

Daniel, you really, really do need that record.



* Of course Mike is always right, but particularly so in this case.

Yes... I certainly do. Every time you mention it, I tell myself that I do...

I need more pocket money! ;)

I will get it, as soon as possible! :)
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1467 on: May 25, 2012, 04:55:08 AM »
I was just on Amazon comparing samples of the symphonies, and discovered several things:

1. Much as I love Barbirolli's EMI set, I must fish out a couple of others and listen to them again: Tate, Solti (try to make the sound less brilliant), maybe even Mackerras.

2. The sets of Previn and Haitink appear to warrant serious investigation. OTOH, those of Colin Davis and Mark Elder don't.

3. There is a recording of 1 (MP3 only) by Andrew Davis with the Philharmonia on Decca. By timings, this APPEARS to be the same as recently issued with 2 on Signum (I can't get the Signum samples to play). Either way, it seems to be superior to his Teldec/Warner Apex recording (albeit live).

4. I was consistently and pleasantly surprised by samples of the new cycle conducted by Botstein - orchestra perhaps not first rate, but sensitive and committed. Sadly this appears to be download only. Has anyone heard it? (1, 2)

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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1468 on: May 25, 2012, 05:17:14 AM »
If there are but two symphonies, is it a set? (Not to . . . Grumble . . . or anything . . . .)

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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1469 on: May 25, 2012, 06:42:51 AM »
If there are but two symphonies, is it a set? (Not to . . . Grumble . . . or anything . . . .)

Thread duty:

I need to spend some time on the Hillside to-day.


Raises a whole new philosophical dimension about what (in CD terms) constitutes a set.

The three Colin Davis LSO recordings (1, 2, 3) look like a set, together on the shelf. [He said, helpfully.]

Curiously (compared with my recent Scheherazade and Planets escapades), I've never been on a formal major quest to try out the whole range of Elgar symphonies out there. In view of my lifelong passion, in particular, for no.1, this may seem strange. But I seem to be content with the 4 or 5 versions that I have, and there's not a dud among 'em, so .....

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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1470 on: May 25, 2012, 07:04:08 AM »
Well, and when one of them is the composer's own . . . .
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1471 on: May 25, 2012, 07:23:56 AM »
High time I revisited The Spirit of England, Op.80
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1472 on: May 25, 2012, 07:32:54 AM »
High time I revisited The Spirit of England, Op.80

That's the spirit!  ;D
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1473 on: May 25, 2012, 11:59:56 AM »
High time I revisited The Spirit of England, Op.80

Ah yes. It is ALWAYS high time to do that!

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« Reply #1474 on: May 25, 2012, 10:25:26 PM »
I listened to Tate and Mackerras in 1. Listening to Tate, whilst appreciating the richly upholstered sound, after a while I realised I was always second-guessing his interpretive gestures - "No, speed up there", "No, give prominence to the solo flute here", "Quieter, for God's sake!" (at the start of the finale).

OTOH, I think I underestimated Mackerras on first hearing. His brisk tempos and light sound made me think he was lightweight, but after Tate, Mackerras sounds so cohesive and thought-through.

This afternoon: the 2nd!


For those who are interested, here are some timings:

Sym 1 -  Solti  |  Tate | Mackerras
I            17.45   20.39   18.52
II             7.08     7.10     7.18
III          12.12   14.16   11.40
IV           11.38   12.22   11.31

Sym 2 -  Solti  |  Tate | Mackerras
I            15.30   19.17   16.13
II           15.30   17.21   15.03
III           7.49     8.28      8.07
IV          12.33   17.23   13.20



EDIT: Perhaps another reason I wasn't initially turned on to the Mackerras - the terrible cover. Look! It's Big Ben and a big Union Jack! Thank God they didn't chuck in a bulldog and a big red bus (probably hidden behind the title panel).

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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1475 on: May 26, 2012, 04:39:28 AM »
Ah yes. It is ALWAYS high time to do that!

And I can never get enough of the magnificent Violin Sonata!
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1476 on: May 26, 2012, 08:45:14 AM »
I'm LOVING what I'm hearing on Barbirolli's Elgar EMI set  :o 8)


Elgar continues to amaze me. What a guy.

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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1477 on: May 26, 2012, 12:48:19 PM »
And I can never get enough of the magnificent Violin Sonata!

Exactly. Another of those things that it's always high time to listen to.

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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1478 on: June 01, 2012, 11:04:30 AM »
Exactly. Another of those things that it's always high time to listen to.

I could easily get into a once-a-day habit with the Violin Sonata.
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Re: Elgar's Hillside
« Reply #1479 on: June 01, 2012, 11:42:25 AM »
I could easily get into a once-a-day habit with the Violin Sonata.

There have been times when I actually did!

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