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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #700 on: January 31, 2012, 09:35:53 AM »
Thank you for all your feedback, I was not expecting so much! All your posts have been very interesting and very helpful to me, and some made me laugh as well. ;)

As Marvin said, I am sure that I will decide to own more than one Ring cycle. Like a set of the Mahler symphonies, the interpretations are so different, and none can be perfect for such an expansive piece I suppose.

Will start with the Karajan, then the Bohm, then eventually the Solti and the DVD set that Jens recommended.

Thank you so much once again for all your help! ;)

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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #701 on: January 31, 2012, 09:39:36 AM »
Daniel + Karajan's Ring = wise choice. 8)
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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #702 on: January 31, 2012, 10:25:33 AM »
Will start with the Karajan, then the Bohm, then eventually the Solti and the DVD set that Jens recommended.

Das ist wirklich wunderschön! :)

I'm sure you will certainly love Der Ring, the most beautiful masterpiece ever composed; I know you particularly appreciate Götterdämmerung and its passionate and powerful finale, but try to start listening from Das Rheingold. ;)
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« Reply #703 on: January 31, 2012, 12:13:55 PM »
Daniel + Karajan's Ring = wise choice. 8)

:)

Das ist wirklich wunderschön! :)

I'm sure you will certainly love Der Ring, the most beautiful masterpiece ever composed alongside all Mahler, particularly the late symphonies; I know you particularly appreciate Götterdämmerung and its passionate and powerful finale, but try to start listening from Das Rheingold. ;)

:) You keep on forgetting Mahler, Ilaria! ;)
Yes, I shall start from the beggining with Das Rheingold, and move through the operas in the right order. Really looking forward to it!
I am sure I will absolutely love it too!
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« Reply #704 on: January 31, 2012, 02:04:41 PM »
:) You keep on forgetting Mahler, Ilaria! ;)
Yes, I shall start from the beggining with Das Rheingold, and move through the operas in the right order. Really looking forward to it!
I am sure I will absolutely love it too!

Really happy to hear this! No other music can be as thrilling, powerful, passionate, intense and introspective as Wagner's one is!
I never forget Mahler (and how could I do this?!), one of my favourite composers and whose works I absolutely love; I only speak for myself: Mahler comes after Wagner for me. ;)

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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #705 on: February 01, 2012, 06:01:14 AM »
Go easy on her, Daniel!
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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #706 on: February 01, 2012, 06:17:32 AM »
  Oh and Karl, Please PLEASE tell me that you finally got around to listening to the Bohm Ring (you know the one in your Beyreuth box!) in its entirety!  (how long has it been now since you started?? are you anywhere near finished?).

With Wagnerian delicacy, Marvin, I am sorry to inform you that I haven't.  It's such a while ago, I honestly don't know where I left off . . . .
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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #707 on: February 01, 2012, 09:45:50 AM »
Go easy on her, Daniel!

 ;D

I doubt I shall ever have to send a Mahler hammering in Ilaria's direction, she is a dedicated Mahlerian! :D
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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #708 on: February 01, 2012, 09:51:17 AM »
With Wagnerian delicacy, Marvin, I am sorry to inform you that I haven't.  It's such a while ago, I honestly don't know where I left off . . . .


Wagner quit composing the Ring during the Second Act of Siegfried and resumed 12 years later. Don't worry.
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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #709 on: February 01, 2012, 09:52:29 AM »

Wagner quit composing the Ring during the Second Act of Siegfried and resumed 12 years later. Don't worry.

There is yet hope for White Nights, then! : )
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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #710 on: February 01, 2012, 10:02:12 AM »
Go easy on her, Daniel!
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I doubt I shall ever have to send a Mahler hammering in Ilaria's direction, she is a dedicated Mahlerian! :D

Correct ;D

Anyway I could always defend myself with Nothung, Siegfried's sword ;)
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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #711 on: February 01, 2012, 10:10:27 AM »
It will be a near thing, whether the head of the hammer ruins Nothung's blade, or whether Nothung severs the handle.  It will be a battle worth watching!
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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #712 on: February 01, 2012, 01:05:44 PM »

Wagner quit composing the Ring during the Second Act of Siegfried and resumed 12 years later. Don't worry.

  Well said J.Z Herrenberg. I admire Karl's courage though and hope that one day he would complete this task of listening to the Ring in its entirety. I can relate to Karl, on my end I have a slight aversion to Haydn, I have never heard any of his symphonies nor his string quartets and I keep telling myself that those are core repertoire works and yet they sit in my amazon.co.uk basket never purchased- sigh!

  No worries Karl, take all the time you need with Wagner's Ring.

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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #713 on: February 01, 2012, 06:33:38 PM »
You can't really be in Sidney! (j/k)
Heh, no, that was a lie for humorous effect (I hoped).

Re the bel canto issue, is anyone else hoping for a Pappano Ring at some point?

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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #714 on: February 04, 2012, 10:51:31 AM »
Heh, no, that was a lie for humorous effect (I hoped).

Re the bel canto issue, is anyone else hoping for a Pappano Ring at some point?

Yes!! Pappano!!  The Walküre from the 2005 BBC Proms and his EMI excerpts (Siegfried and Götterdämmurung) are excellent.  Did anyone attend or hear the Covent Garden Ring? From what I remember, the cycle took place over a few years.  The revival will be opening the 2012-13 season...

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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #715 on: February 05, 2012, 02:04:49 AM »
Solti, then Bohm.



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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #718 on: March 26, 2012, 12:34:53 AM »


The 1999 Amsterdam Ring seems to have attracted a wide range of critical response, and at full price I wouldn't want to risk buying it. But various places seems to be disposing of their Rheingold and Walkure DVD sets very cheaply (under £10), so I bought a Walkure and am presently awaiting its arrival.

Anyone know it? Will I be thrilled or disappointed?

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Re: Wagner One Ring to rule them all...
« Reply #719 on: March 26, 2012, 12:54:15 AM »


The 1999 Amsterdam Ring seems to have attracted a wide range of critical response, and at full price I wouldn't want to risk buying it. But various places seems to be disposing of their Rheingold and Walkure DVD sets very cheaply (under £10), so I bought a Walkure and am presently awaiting its arrival.

Anyone know it? Will I be thrilled or disappointed?
I don't know whether you will like the production, but I think you will like the sound. The orchestra is good and so is the singing (most of the time). So as long as you are a bit forgiving (or at least flexible) on the staging, I think you will enjoy it.
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