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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1140 on: January 23, 2018, 05:44:22 PM »
The sound seems fine, if close. I mean, it's perfectly listenable.

He takes it pretty fast in all four parts of the ordinarium. It's a performance, without a sense of inwardness or prayer or expressiveness apart from thrilling speed. He's memorably good in the amen of the gloria. IMO very bad in the benedictus. Meh elsewhere

Thanks for that.

Having just listened to the samples again I see what you mean about how fast he takes the ordinarium. The lack of a sense of inwardness doesn't sound too promising either. Some bits do still sound interesting, but as I already have the recordings by Peres, Ensemble De Caelis and Tonus Peregrinus this may be one I'll only pick up if I see it going cheap. 

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« Reply #1141 on: January 24, 2018, 09:26:46 AM »
Thanks for that.

Having just listened to the samples again I see what you mean about how fast he takes the ordinarium. The lack of a sense of inwardness doesn't sound too promising either. Some bits do still sound interesting, but as I already have the recordings by Peres, Ensemble De Caelis and Tonus Peregrinus this may be one I'll only pick up if I see it going cheap.

One to think about getting I think is Pro Cantione Antiqua.
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« Reply #1142 on: February 02, 2018, 04:00:31 PM »
Just acquired some disks by Alla Francesca.  I am smitten. 


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« Reply #1143 on: February 03, 2018, 10:08:27 AM »
Just acquired some disks by Alla Francesca.  I am smitten. 


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Yes, I've just been listening to a cd of Italian music from Gothic Voices called A Song for Francesca, and it's extraordinary how the quality of Landini's music stands out.
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« Reply #1144 on: February 03, 2018, 12:54:15 PM »
Just acquired some disks by Alla Francesca.  I am smitten. 


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When it comes to Early Music Alla Francesca is (one of) my ensembles of choice. This Landini disc is wonderful indeed.
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« Reply #1145 on: February 03, 2018, 07:31:00 PM »
Seems like 90% of early music is vocal?

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« Reply #1146 on: February 04, 2018, 12:22:25 AM »
Seems like 90% of early music is vocal?
Many of the songs would probably have doubled as instrumental music too, though.
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« Reply #1147 on: February 04, 2018, 12:53:18 AM »
When it comes to Early Music Alla Francesca is (one of) my ensembles of choice. This Landini disc is wonderful indeed.
Yes, I've just been listening to a cd of Italian music from Gothic Voices called A Song for Francesca, and it's extraordinary how the quality of Landini's music stands out.

   This is the only thing I have by Landini--I will look for more.  However, (like Florestan, apparently) I attribute a lot of my appreciation to the ensemble and musical direction.  I have been playing some other disks by the Alla Francesca group, and not only are they all excellent, they are surprisingly distinctive from disk to disk. The Landini features exquisite female vocals, with intricate harmonies, whereas some disks feature a single male singer much of the time--and they seem very comfortable switching between Italian and French, vocal and instrumental. Apparently this group is a subset of Ensemble Gilles Binchois; I haven't compared line-ups, but I suspect they are an ad hoc ensemble with varying members.  Le Roman de la rose may be equally good.   
    Apparently this Landini disk is oop-- at Amazon they are asking $100 for a copy.
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« Reply #1148 on: February 04, 2018, 02:18:30 AM »
   This is the only thing I have by Landini--I will look for more.  However, (like Florestan, apparently) I attribute a lot of my appreciation to the ensemble and musical direction.  I have been playing some other disks by the Alla Francesca group, and not only are they all excellent, they are surprisingly distinctive from disk to disk. The Landini features exquisite female vocals, with intricate harmonies, whereas some disks feature a single male singer much of the time--and they seem very comfortable switching between Italian and French, vocal and instrumental. Apparently this group is a subset of Ensemble Gilles Binchois; I haven't compared line-ups, but I suspect they are an ad hoc ensemble with varying members.  Le Roman de la rose may be equally good.   
    Apparently this Landini disk is oop-- at Amazon they are asking $100 for a copy.

A very different style with Landini, still a ladies' voice group,  is Anonymous 4
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« Reply #1149 on: February 04, 2018, 02:35:36 AM »
Many of the songs would probably have doubled as instrumental music too, though.
It's interesting. Looking through this thread, it's very hard to find non-vocal recordings. Just an observation. Maybe it's strange but I don't collect much vocal music but I'm always interested in early music. I'm just wondering if early instrumental music wasn't preserved as much?

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« Reply #1150 on: February 04, 2018, 02:43:44 AM »
It's interesting. Looking through this thread, it's very hard to find non-vocal recordings. Just an observation. Maybe it's strange but I don't collect much vocal music but I'm always interested in early music. I'm just wondering if early instrumental music wasn't preserved as much?

I think because so much music was written for liturgical use and preserved by the major cathedrals, vocal music is what has come down to us.  For most of the medieval period instruments, other than organ, were rarely, if at all, used in church.  I am sure there was plenty of instrumental music played during these pre 1600 periods, but it wasn't written down nor, even if it was, preserved in a library. 

The troubadours sang with instrument accompaniment, and is probably your best bet for at least some instrumental recordings.

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« Reply #1151 on: February 04, 2018, 04:05:50 AM »
I think because so much music was written for liturgical use and preserved by the major cathedrals, vocal music is what has come down to us.  For most of the medieval period instruments, other than organ, were rarely, if at all, used in church.  I am sure there was plenty of instrumental music played during these pre 1600 periods, but it wasn't written down nor, even if it was, preserved in a library. 

The troubadours sang with instrument accompaniment, and is probably your best bet for at least some instrumental recordings.
Interesting. I listen to a lot of early lute and Vihuela music recently. Yeah, I guess that and organ are the first to come down. I imagine there was plenty of instrumental music around throughout the ages.

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« Reply #1152 on: February 04, 2018, 04:59:10 AM »
It's interesting. Looking through this thread, it's very hard to find non-vocal recordings. Just an observation. Maybe it's strange but I don't collect much vocal music but I'm always interested in early music. I'm just wondering if early instrumental music wasn't preserved as much?

Check out the two CDs Savall made called Lira d'Espiria.
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« Reply #1153 on: February 04, 2018, 05:33:07 AM »
Check out the two CDs Savall made called Lira d'Espiria.
I definitely will! Thanks!

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« Reply #1154 on: February 04, 2018, 05:44:20 AM »
A very different style with Landini, still a ladies' voice group,  is Anonymous 4

  Thanks. I'm working on getting a copy.
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« Reply #1155 on: February 04, 2018, 05:08:40 PM »
I'm liking this. Although I don't always love the reverberation on the singing, I like the vocals more than I thought I wold. The instrumental stuff is especially good.

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« Reply #1156 on: February 04, 2018, 05:36:11 PM »
Check out the two CDs Savall made called Lira d'Espiria.
I'm going to listen to this today. But, I'm interested in what other recordings people recommend. So, would you say that organ and lute music would be the earliest music we can locate/perform with reasonable justifiability? Are there any recordings, perhaps with vocals, that have substantial instrumental accompaniment that people can recommend? The earliest organs were small chamber organs? I suppose I should go to the organ thread but I'm just curious how far back we can go exactly to find instrumental music and what instruments exist now for performance? Wikipedia says the Valère organ is the oldest. I shall also search for recordings on it.   

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« Reply #1157 on: February 09, 2018, 05:07:29 AM »

I've been listening to this and enjoying it. I'm wondering what other recordings in this thread have a good bit of instrumentation on them - in addition to the vocals. I like this recording because it's balanced between singing and playing.

This one is also mesmerizing!
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« Reply #1158 on: February 09, 2018, 01:01:45 PM »

 I'm wondering what other recordings in this thread have a good bit of instrumentation on them -

I remember Clemencic's Dufay CD has a lot of music from The Buxheimer Organ Book. There are many other examples  I think from the 16th century, but it's harder for earlier music. Try Ensemble Organum's Codex Faenza CD, it's a recording I really like. Also Ferrara Ensemble's Alexander Agricola CD. I'm sure I'll remember others soon.

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« Reply #1159 on: February 09, 2018, 02:36:14 PM »
I remember Clemencic's Dufay CD has a lot of music from The Buxheimer Organ Book.

Yes, that's true, six items from the Buxheimer:

https://www.amazon.de/Guillaume-Dufay-Rene-Clemencic/dp/B000063X8V/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1518215623&sr=1-1&keywords=dufay+clemencic

and certainly a very interesting release.
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