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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1160 on: December 31, 2017, 01:35:09 AM »
Here are some letters between Sigiswald Kuijken and Bjorn Schmelzer

http://www.graindelavoix.org/pdfs/musica%20antiqua%20revisited%20english.pdf
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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1161 on: December 31, 2017, 01:52:34 AM »


So what we have here is motets by a prolific composer called Jean Hanelle, possibly from Cambrai, all his work collected in a large manuscript in Turin which, up to now, has been dismissed by musicologists as formulaic, mass produced, mainstream, probably written under time pressures, more concerned with medieval scholastic ideas than with expressiveness or beauty.

Then along comes Bjorn Schmelzer, and he says that the manuscript contains some isorhythmic Latin motets  which make a cycle. And I must say it makes a fabulous cycle too! Hallucinatory music  music. No one could say that they are formulaic, mass produced.

So what's happened? The answer is, of course, that Graindelavoix have been been inspired by the texts to liberally add expression to their performances

Is this new?  I must look it up.


I did not realize at first that this is the 2016 recording Cypriot Vespers (your image was hard to read).  I have this in my collection and like most of Schmelzer's recordings I enjoyed it for a while before the sound becomes strident and I don't listen anymore.  But I should listen again since it's been probably a year since I last put it in the player.

Here are some letters between Sigiswald Kuijken and Bjorn Schmelzer

http://www.graindelavoix.org/pdfs/musica%20antiqua%20revisited%20english.pdf

Long-winded chaps.

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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1162 on: December 31, 2017, 02:21:48 AM »

 I enjoyed it for a while before the sound becomes strident and I don't listen anymore

I can well imagine this is true, once the novelty wears off. At some point I'd like to make sense of what they do about the textual interrelationships (alleged) between the two poems in the double O-motets. They seem to suggest that there's a sort of third meaning which comes into existence through the clash of the other two in the performance - we shall see of this is bullshit or deep . . . I have a slight suspicion that what Schmelzer does is superficial in this sense: it's exciting and strange at first but once you've heard it you know what they do and there's no point in going back. It's all surfaces. I hope I'm wrong.

I listened last night to Si Didero (Agricola) by Schmelzer and Orlando Consort (theirs is on the excellent CD called A Toledo Summit -- my favourite Orlando CD)

Schmelzer uses instruments to replace two of the voices (no idea why!) and he balances it so that the voice which remains is sometimes almost drowned out. His performance is thrilling and sensual, visceral.

Orlando is intimate and rarefied, I much prefer the Orlando version.

I first got interested in Agricola's Si Didero years ago because Obrecht wrote an excellent mass based on it. I think it was a real hit for Agricola.
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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1163 on: January 01, 2018, 05:30:39 PM »
Does anyone here have anything by an ensemble called Mora Vocis? I'd never heard of them until stumbling across one of their discs by accident earlier today. I can't find much info online other than their website, which mentions "circus artists, actors or dancer-choreographers" joining the ensemble in performances and also says that "rather than attempting to produce a historical reconstruction, Mora Vocis simply shares its passion for these musical treasures, from virtuosic neumæ to the complex polyphony of Ars subtilior."

I can't say the above sounds overly promising, on the other hand the few samples I've heard sound better than expected. A search of this forum yielded no results, so I'm guessing no-one here is familiar with them, but if anyone is I'd be interested to know what you think of them.

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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1164 on: January 07, 2018, 05:36:09 AM »


Just a post to draw the attention to this extraordinary recording of exquisite and quiet C12 latin music. It turns out that Mauricio Melina  is an academic in the field working out of Montpellier, and the music here comes out of his research. What I can say with some confidence is that there's a tone of authenticity. I don't mean anything to do with historical accuracy, that's something I can't comment on. I mean that there's nothing rote or uninspired about the music making here, there's an honesty about about what they do, I can't explain it better than that.

I came across it while exploring Philippe Le Chancelier - it stood out, as it were.
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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1165 on: January 07, 2018, 05:52:18 AM »
Does anyone here have anything by an ensemble called Mora Vocis? I'd never heard of them until stumbling across one of their discs by accident earlier today. I can't find much info online other than their website, which mentions "circus artists, actors or dancer-choreographers" joining the ensemble in performances and also says that "rather than attempting to produce a historical reconstruction, Mora Vocis simply shares its passion for these musical treasures, from virtuosic neumæ to the complex polyphony of Ars subtilior."

I can't say the above sounds overly promising, on the other hand the few samples I've heard sound better than expected. A search of this forum yielded no results, so I'm guessing no-one here is familiar with them, but if anyone is I'd be interested to know what you think of them.

I'd come across their CD called Tombeau before and I remember thinking it was interesting but didn't pursue it, just listening for about 10 minutes to random tracks makes me think that they're rather good as you suggest. I found this - if you want me to translate it let me know. I'd quite like to go to a concert  ;)

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Mora Vocis est un ensemble à voix de femmes spécialisé dans l'interprétation des musiques du Moyen-Age et d'aujourd'hui. Sa particularité est de chanter non pas en position de concert traditionnel mais en déambulation dans les lieux qu'elles investissent, qu'ils soient patrimoniaux ou contemporains. L'ensemble existe depuis 1986 mais connaît une étape nouvelle cette année avec l'arrivée d'une directrice artistique, Els Janssens-Vanmunster (il fonctionnait avant sans direction artistique) et le début d'un partenariat de recherche, de création et de formation de 4 ans à l'Université Montpellier III. Ce nouveau site doit marquer cette évolution en réaffirmant l'identité de l'ensemble, en marquant sa qualité et son exigence musicale dans des répertoires très pointus tout en mettant en avant sa créativité, sa capacité à décaler le regard sur cette musique pour la rendre «contemporaine».

http://www.moravocis.fr/english--

Looks like Montpellier is the place to be
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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1166 on: January 07, 2018, 06:50:11 AM »


Just a post to draw the attention to this extraordinary recording of exquisite and quiet C12 latin music. It turns out that Mauricio Melina  is an academic in the field working out of Montpellier, and the music here comes out of his research. What I can say with some confidence is that there's a tone of authenticity. I don't mean anything to do with historical accuracy, that's something I can't comment on. I mean that there's nothing rote or uninspired about the music making here, there's an honesty about about what they do, I can't explain it better than that.

I came across it while exploring Philippe Le Chancelier - it stood out, as it were.

I can't read the print on your back cover and without the cover art there is a question: Are you referencing the recording Vacillantus by the ensemble Magister Petrus ?
 


If so, it is excellent example of 12th century music.

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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1167 on: January 07, 2018, 06:54:11 AM »
Does anyone here have anything by an ensemble called Mora Vocis? I'd never heard of them until stumbling across one of their discs by accident earlier today. I can't find much info online other than their website, which mentions "circus artists, actors or dancer-choreographers" joining the ensemble in performances and also says that "rather than attempting to produce a historical reconstruction, Mora Vocis simply shares its passion for these musical treasures, from virtuosic neumæ to the complex polyphony of Ars subtilior."

I can't say the above sounds overly promising, on the other hand the few samples I've heard sound better than expected. A search of this forum yielded no results, so I'm guessing no-one here is familiar with them, but if anyone is I'd be interested to know what you think of them.

I am not a fan of all female groups, generally.  But their repertoire is a cut above the average and their aversion to vibrato is a plus.  In places they almost sound like men, another plus.

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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1168 on: January 07, 2018, 10:14:20 AM »
I can't read the print on your back cover and without the cover art there is a question: Are you referencing the recording Vacillantus by the ensemble Magister Petrus ?
 


If so, it is excellent example of 12th century music.

Yes that's the one. I like it very much, I've played it twice today, it's obviously touched the spot.
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Re: The Early Music Club (EMC)
« Reply #1169 on: January 07, 2018, 10:51:28 AM »
I am not a fan of all female groups, generally.

Well in that case you should avoid this one from Ensemble Providencia, which I also found today, it's outstanding, I prefer the sound this group makes to La Reverdie I think. Unfortunately they seem to have made just one CD and then disappeared. The way they create counterpoints  out of this music is really nice, there are sometimes juicy dissonances and unexpected textures. 

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