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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #640 on: April 16, 2014, 11:49:58 PM »
Pianoconcerto's 4 & 5 cannot be missed and must be bought!

Eat and drink less, buy more cds.

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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #641 on: April 18, 2014, 08:42:00 AM »
Hey, aren't you gonna tell us what it is? Don't keep us in suspense  >:(

It was that Vol.2 of the Hyperion series- 'Concerto da Camera', Concerto for Violin & Piano, and 'Czech Rhapsody'. If I was being generous I'd say that VC 2 was the only other work out of the bunch that had substance for me (just not my type of drama right now- autumn...), though, the Concerto for Flute & Violin had some felicitous interplay. I really am tickled that I found a new Martinu cache!- thankfully, that gives me the faith to move on from the '40s and '50s- I'm done discovering "normal" music for a while, and needed to shore up that Martinu.

Yea, wasn't really a 'deal' on it. >:(
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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #642 on: April 18, 2014, 02:24:07 PM »
It was that Vol.2 of the Hyperion series- 'Concerto da Camera', Concerto for Violin & Piano, and 'Czech Rhapsody'.

LOL you disappoint me. That's a well-known and highly praised disc around here. Maybe there are no Martinu gems left for you to discover  :(
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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #643 on: April 18, 2014, 03:02:58 PM »
LOL you disappoint me. That's a well-known and highly praised disc around here. Maybe there are no Martinu gems left for you to discover  :(
On the other hand, it's always good to reiterate just how good that disc is... definitely the best Martinu recording I've bought in many years.

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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #644 on: April 18, 2014, 03:15:50 PM »
On the other hand, it's always good to reiterate just how good that disc is... definitely the best Martinu recording I've bought in many years.

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« Reply #645 on: April 22, 2014, 07:23:28 AM »
LOL you disappoint me. That's a well-known and highly praised disc around here. Maybe there are no Martinu gems left for you to discover  :(

Well, I had some catching up to do! I've been listening, and what a great album! The Violin/Piano caught me off-guard by starting in the Minor, but, by the end of the first movement it was exactly as I had imagined- you can practically feel the late '40s, Hollywood type atmosphere- it's quite a classy piece!

And the 'Camera' is echt Martinu, as someone said, in his "relentless" mode. Have yet to meet the 'Czech Rhapsody'.


I checked Groves yesterday, and am now convinced that I do not have any more hidden gems to discover with Martinu (which is a good thing for the wallet!) Frankly, that disc alone up the prestige of my Martinu Library just right where I want it. Finally I can get out of the '40s, whew! (it was getting expensive!)
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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #646 on: April 23, 2014, 08:10:25 AM »

Piano Concerto No.5

Right now the 4th, which I think is one of his best last-decade inspirations. But I know it a lot better. I've only heard the 5th a couple of times - a positive experience, but I must explore it further.

Had to finally listen all the way through PC 5. Well, 4 is is two movements, and it's style is very 'fantastique' in my mind, but No.5, 'Fantasie concertante', didn't really deliver the 'fantasia' for me in the outer movements (pretty standard, professional Late Martinu), BUT- the slow movement- yes!- the slow movement is quite a wonder, maybe the most perfectly realized Mozartean slow movement I've heard from the Neo-Classicists. I wasn't too convinced by the outer movements, but, wow, such 'rustic fantasy' in that slow movement, especially that "rustling" section.

Still, No.4 is awesome all the way through.

Violin Concerto No.2

I have come around on this one, help in large part by Ms. Faust's passionate performance on HarmoniaMundi. The cover art seems to concur with my feelings that this is a 'storm clouds' works- cautionary.


My new list of fav concertos:


1) Harpsichord Cto.
2) Piano Concerto No.4
3) Oboe Cto.
4) Violin Cto. 2
5) Concerto da camera
6) Cello Cto. 2
7) Piano Concerto No.5 (for the slow movement alone)
8) Cto. for Violin/Piano
9) Cto. for Violin/Flute
10) Double... or... String Quartet... or... Sinfonia Concertante (all on the Virgin/Hickox disc)

There, that's a pretty nice list, eh?



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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #647 on: April 23, 2014, 09:57:21 AM »
BUT- the slow movement- yes!- the slow movement is quite a wonder, maybe the most perfectly realized Mozartean slow movement I've heard from the Neo-Classicists. I wasn't too convinced by the outer movements, but, wow, such 'rustic fantasy' in that slow movement, especially that "rustling" section.

I'll have to listen to it again. His slow mvts. are always wonderful. Do you know the one from the Concerto for 2 Pianos, or the Sinfonietta La Jolla? Particularly the latter is an enchanting "starry sky" nocturne-type adagio - similar to the one from Bartok's 3rd PC, but even better I think.
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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #648 on: April 24, 2014, 05:55:44 AM »
Hi! Anybody like Martinu ballets? I think its a good stuff.
My favorite -
1. Checkmating the King, jazz-ballet in 2 act, H.186 (1930)/La Revue de Cuisine (Kitchen Revue), jazz ballet for clarinet, bassoon, trumpet, cello & piano, H. 161 (1927) Not suite! All ballet!
2. The Butterfly that Stamped (Motyl, ktery dupal), ballet in 1 act after Rudyard Kipling, H. 153 (1926) I like impressionism!
3. Spalicek (1933) Suite!
4. Le raid merveilleux (The Amazing Flight), a mechanical ballet without persons for 2 clarinets, trombone & string quartet, H. 159 (1927)

My top list:
Orchestral - Symphony #6, Les Fresques de Piero della Francesca, Les Parables, Estampes, Orchestral Suites from Juliette and Theatre Behind the Gate, Double concerto, Toccata e Due Canzoni
Vocal-Orchestral - Field mass (!), Magic Nights, Niponari, Kytice (Bouquet of Flowers)
Concertos -  Rhapsody, Oboe, Violin 2, Piano 4, Cello 2,
Chamber: Violin sonata #3, Chamber music No. 1, Flute sonata, Nonet, 1-3,7quartet, Fantaisie pour ondes Martenot, Piano quintet 1
Piano: Sonata, Puppettes, Preludes , Borova...
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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #649 on: April 24, 2014, 07:56:56 AM »
Hi! Anybody like Martinu ballets? I think its a good stuff.
Love the ballets!

Nice choices, some of which I don't know (solo piano, string quartets, a couple of the others)
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« Reply #650 on: April 24, 2014, 07:59:10 AM »
I'll have to listen to it again. His slow mvts. are always wonderful. Do you know the one from the Concerto for 2 Pianos, or the Sinfonietta La Jolla? Particularly the latter is an enchanting "starry sky" nocturne-type adagio - similar to the one from Bartok's 3rd PC, but even better I think.

I didn't bring 'la Jolla' with me yesterday- have to wait a week. Do get back to me concerning PC 5's slow mvmt.

Hi! Anybody like Martinu ballets? I think its a good stuff.
My favorite -
1. Checkmating the King, jazz-ballet in 2 act, H.186 (1930)/La Revue de Cuisine (Kitchen Revue), jazz ballet for clarinet, bassoon, trumpet, cello & piano, H. 161 (1927) Not suite! All ballet!
2. The Butterfly that Stamped (Motyl, ktery dupal), ballet in 1 act after Rudyard Kipling, H. 153 (1926) I like impressionism!
3. Spalicek (1933) Suite!
4. Le raid merveilleux (The Amazing Flight), a mechanical ballet without persons for 2 clarinets, trombone & string quartet, H. 159 (1927)

My top list:
Orchestral - Symphony #6, Les Fresques de Piero della Francesca, Les Parables, Estampes, Orchestral Suites from Juliette and Theatre Behind the Gate, Double concerto, Toccata e Due Canzoni
Vocal-Orchestral - Field mass (!), Magic Nights, Niponari, Kytice (Bouquet of Flowers)
Concertos -  Rhapsody, Oboe, Violin 2, Piano 4, Cello 2,
Chamber: Violin sonata #3, Chamber music No. 1, Flute sonata, Nonet, 1-3,7quartet, Fantaisie pour ondes Martenot, Piano quintet 1
Piano: Sonata, Puppettes, Preludes , Borova...

Yes, it's starting to look like we all have the same ideas here!

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« Reply #651 on: April 24, 2014, 12:21:21 PM »
I'll have to listen to it again. His slow mvts. are always wonderful. Do you know the one from the Concerto for 2 Pianos, or the Sinfonietta La Jolla? Particularly the latter is an enchanting "starry sky" nocturne-type adagio - similar to the one from Bartok's 3rd PC, but even better I think.

I thought the PC 5 and the Violin/Piano both had that very stately air, very Classical (and "good" Hollywood)- a little like the Hindemith of 'Nobliesse Visione' and 'The Four Temperments?

I had a few more Martinu questions before I embark:

1) I heard FP (PF?) Zimmermann play the VC2, and I really did enjoy the samples of Faust. I don't know what the question is?!?! :laugh:

2) Can anyone think of any more charming and excellent Martinu Chamber Music than the Duo (No.1) for violin and cello (and how it relates so well to Honegger and Ravel? And the String Sextet? Serenade No.2, and the 'Madrigal' piece...?... ...

3) Are there ANY other 'Serenades' other than the five that are on Supraphon? (non from the '50s as Grove stated?)

4) How essential is that Elan disc of 2Pianos?

5) I never liked the Cello Sonatas and didn't hear anything grabby when I sampled through the 'Complete Violin & Piano'. I'm not bent on getting that Naxos disc of Chamber Music (Viola Sonata, Piano Quartet) AGAIN-  Violin Flute Trio, eh- Cello Flute Trio, eh- Promenades, check,- other harpsichord pieces not so much- Piano, eh, I've got the Sonata (RCA) with the Concertos- other string duos, mm, eh,... Flute Sonata, check

I don't know, what should I go back to? Yes, I left the Piano Quintet off.

I'm hyperventilating again.... oooo....oooooo..... falling off tab.......


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6) I think that's it...
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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #652 on: April 24, 2014, 12:57:07 PM »
7) 'The Rock'- how essential? I've tried to find the Supraphon with the Spitfire on the cover, to no avail. I wonder if that albums a lost classic! :o

'The Rock'

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'Thunderdumpling X5'?
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« Reply #653 on: April 24, 2014, 10:10:37 PM »
The Rock - Ihave on this CD



it is even worse than the Estampes, but for fans of Martinu is important to have

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Re: Bohuslav Martinů (1890-1959)
« Reply #654 on: April 25, 2014, 07:31:57 AM »
The Rock - Ihave on this CD



it is even worse than the Estampes, but for fans of Martinu is important to have

That's the one- the lost Martinu disc! :'( How are the pieces man?!!
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« Reply #655 on: April 25, 2014, 10:37:09 AM »
That's the one- the lost Martinu disc! :'( How are the pieces man?!!
see PM. And  vote for a five-point scale  8)

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« Reply #656 on: April 25, 2014, 12:13:56 PM »
see PM. And  vote for a five-point scale  8)

Awesome! Thanks! Can't wait!
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« Reply #657 on: April 26, 2014, 12:56:18 AM »
Awesome! Thanks! Can't wait!
Not at all! Enjoy!

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« Reply #658 on: April 27, 2014, 03:36:13 PM »
see PM. And  vote for a five-point scale  8)

My computer buddy and I were having no luck with that .nz site. Tried to download their 'extention', but it just wasn't taking. Do you have - as my friend said (forgive  him) "a link normal people can use?" haha- sorry, I can't even make a picture on GMG, so I'm not the computy wiz- Press Play is where I've been for a while- I know, I need to consider the next twenty years... mm....

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« Reply #659 on: April 28, 2014, 02:27:47 AM »
The Rock - Ihave on this CD



it is even worse than the Estampes, but for fans of Martinu is important to have
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