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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #80 on: March 12, 2017, 06:54:39 AM »
I actually heard the Manfred a few weeks ago by the New York Phil. here in NYC.  The audience went wild thinking they had heard a great performance but I felt it dragged in spots and the slow movement seemed endless although it was exciting in spots.  It certainly was great to hear it live.  The conductor was S, Bychkov.  It received a poor review from the NY Times critic who complained about sloppy playing and timing problems.  I own the Muti and Plentev (?) versions.  I am still looking for a better recording and understanding version of this great but sprawling work.

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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #81 on: March 12, 2017, 07:03:51 AM »
I rather like Ashkenazy and Chailly, especially Chailly. The Concertgebouw just has the right chops and flair to pull this one off.

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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #82 on: March 12, 2017, 07:53:48 AM »
Kitayenko, Rostropovich, and Svetlanov are wonderful.  Excellent sound and performances.

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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2017, 08:46:24 AM »
Great to read more thoughts on this work  :)
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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2017, 12:44:32 PM »
My favourite is still the Svetlanov with the bogus ending (used years ago in a TV dramatisation of Anna Karenina along with Glazunov's 'Finnish Fantasy'). I also still like the Goossens recording with the original ending.
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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #85 on: March 22, 2017, 12:49:15 PM »
I actually heard the Manfred a few weeks ago by the New York Phil. here in NYC.  The audience went wild thinking they had heard a great performance but I felt it dragged in spots and the slow movement seemed endless although it was exciting in spots.  It certainly was great to hear it live.  The conductor was S, Bychkov.  It received a poor review from the NY Times critic who complained about sloppy playing and timing problems.  I own the Muti and Plentev (?) versions.  I am still looking for a better recording and understanding version of this great but sprawling work.

Great to read more thoughts on this work  :)

I have mentioned this earlier, but one of the greatest recordings of it is a version (there is a cut in the finale, which some say is warranted) by Toscanini with the NBC Orchestra:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/IbPKC2ii9W0&amp;index=2&amp;list=PLAjaJgK3Be--OwoE6LEkAczfScMWep-I9" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/IbPKC2ii9W0&amp;index=2&amp;list=PLAjaJgK3Be--OwoE6LEkAczfScMWep-I9</a>
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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #87 on: March 25, 2017, 02:28:33 AM »
I have mentioned this earlier, but one of the greatest recordings of it is a version (there is a cut in the finale, which some say is warranted) by Toscanini with the NBC Orchestra:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/IbPKC2ii9W0&amp;index=2&amp;list=PLAjaJgK3Be--OwoE6LEkAczfScMWep-I9" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/IbPKC2ii9W0&amp;index=2&amp;list=PLAjaJgK3Be--OwoE6LEkAczfScMWep-I9</a>

Unfortunately this video is not available to me.
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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #89 on: March 25, 2017, 10:12:28 AM »

I have mentioned this earlier, but one of the greatest recordings of it is a version (there is a cut in the finale, which some say is warranted) by Toscanini with the NBC Orchestra:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/IbPKC2ii9W0&amp;index=2&amp;list=PLAjaJgK3Be--OwoE6LEkAczfScMWep-I9" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/IbPKC2ii9W0&amp;index=2&amp;list=PLAjaJgK3Be--OwoE6LEkAczfScMWep-I9</a>

Unfortunately this video is not available to me.

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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #90 on: March 25, 2017, 12:21:11 PM »
Strange: no idea about the problem!
Seems like it's just available in the US.
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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #91 on: March 26, 2017, 01:21:46 AM »
Strange: no idea about the problem!

Don't worry, it can be a common enough problem around here. Thanks for posting anyway  :)
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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2017, 02:43:19 AM »
... Has the main Manfred theme of the symphony ever been used in a film score? Or maybe for a TV series a long time ago? I've got a feeling I've heard it somewhere...

Anyone? I feel so sure I've heard this in a movie a long time ago, but have had no luck searching for what it might be online.
(Or perhaps I'm just going senile  :-\)

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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2017, 03:14:24 AM »
Unfortunately I cannot help here. Don't worry about the senility though  ;D
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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #94 on: April 21, 2017, 08:07:37 AM »
Hi guys ! Are you aware, there is a new recording of Tchaikovsky's Manfred by V. Petrenko (Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra).



http://www.naxos.com/feature/Tchaikovsky_Manfred_Symphony_CD.asp

The performance is excellent in my opinion. One of the very best recording of the piece.

Completely agree with this.

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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #95 on: October 29, 2017, 08:05:14 PM »
Here's another Silvestri performance with Philadelphia Orchestra:

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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #96 on: November 29, 2017, 12:47:43 PM »
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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #97 on: November 29, 2017, 05:05:30 PM »
Anyone got a chance to hear this new recording?  :)



http://musicweb-international.com/classrev/2017/Oct/Tchaikovsky_Manfred_4832320.htm

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I just heard it and find it a leisurely traversal through the musical drama though vividly recorded.  The duration of the music isn't the problem, it is just that the performance somewhat lacks intensity.  This is not a "white hot" interpretation.  I did prefer the last movement over the first movement though.  It doesn't replace the best for me.  My favorites are Riccardo Muti/Philadelphia Orchestra, Petrenko/Royal Liverpool, and Jurowski/London Philharmonic (which is probably the best for me mixing intensity, drama, and lyricism). 
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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #98 on: November 29, 2017, 05:09:47 PM »
I'll take his earth band  :D

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Re: Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony
« Reply #99 on: November 29, 2017, 06:19:49 PM »
My favourites are Silvestri (EMI), Haitink, Rozhdestvensky, Abravanel, Svetlanov and Muti. I donít much care for Petrenko. It is a clear-headed but non-partisan view of the score, by which I mean that he never explores its extreme reaches, whether they are of despair, languid swooning, exaltation and exultation, neurotic febrility, etc. Those Iíve mentioned all take us to one or more of these violently exacerbated emotional states.

The out and out winner in terms of fantastic orchestral execution and glorious sound is the Concertgebouw/Haitink. Itís also a noble, exciting intepretation, dramatic where needed but never neurotic (which Manfred certainly is). Abravanelís is a clean, limpid interpretation. The volume knob needs to be cranked up for a fully satisfactory sound to emerge. But do crank it up: it reveals a reading of uncommon honesty and finesse, and the conductor makes the middle movements stand out as an oasis of repose and beauty. Silvestri is a sulfurous, volcanic interpreter and this disc is the standout in the excellent EMI Icon set dedicated to this conductor. Garments are rended and hands wringed in grand fashion. The sound is excellent.

The Rozhdestvensky disc (to which Iím listening right now) is the product of one of those vinyl-to-disc house affairs that attempt to rescue forgotten or otherwise unavailable discs. Itís a highly individual account, beautifully realised by the russian musicians and quite well recorded. One thing one must say about this conductor: he is never less than 100% involved in what he does. This has now been reissued on various labels and is easily obtainable. Iíll listen to the Svetlanov disc next. If memory serves itís a highly idiosyncratic, sometimes wilfull, electrically charged affair.

Muti is an excellent, ę straight Ľ interpreter: no licenses are taken. Itís an exciting, dramatic, unvarnished traversal. I remember the Maazel WP as a somber, gloomy interpretation. Iím interested in the Jansons, Nelsons and Chailly recordings. Draskoís advocacy of the Symeonov makes me think: Iíll try to locate a copy (itís there, but very expensive). Iíve never been disappointed by his recommendations !
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