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That one Dvorak piece
« on: December 05, 2007, 06:16:21 PM »
I remember listening to the radio and something came on from Dvorak that consisted of a complete wind ensemble but then for some reason included one double bassist. 

It was called Serenade or Wind Serenade or probably something else.  Anyone know?

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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2007, 06:33:33 PM »
I remember listening to the radio and something came on from Dvorak that consisted of a complete wind ensemble but then for some reason included one double bassist. 

It was called Serenade or Wind Serenade or probably something else.  Anyone know?

Serenade in d for Winds - Op 44. A very lovely piece indeed! :)

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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2007, 06:35:55 PM »
Thank you kindly!

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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2007, 06:38:49 PM »
Thank you kindly!

You're most welcome. There're a lot of nice recordings of it, frequently coupled with the Serenade in E for Strings - Op 22. If you like one, you should like the other, they are really both worth adding to the collection. :)

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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2007, 07:10:16 PM »
....frequently coupled with the Serenade in E for Strings - Op 22. If you like one, you should like the other, they are really both worth adding to the collection. :)

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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2007, 07:17:41 PM »
Love this piece.  HvK/BPO do an outstanding job with it.

Me too. I have several versions, but I listen to Marriner/AStMitF the most, I think. I can imagine the Berliners doing a super job on it too. :)

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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2007, 07:20:26 PM »
Me too. I have several versions, but I listen to Marriner/AStMitF the most, I think. I can imagine the Berliners doing a super job on it too. :)

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It is paired with Tschaikovsky's String Serenade...incredible hour+ of music.
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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2007, 09:30:11 PM »
My favourite recording, which sounds as authentically Czech as the cover does suggest.



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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2007, 06:09:44 AM »
I remember listening to the radio and something came on from Dvorak that consisted of a complete wind ensemble but then for some reason included one double bassist. 

For some reason there is no wind instrument which delivers a good, rich, solid bass like the string bass does, so it is often used even in wind ensemble music.

The Dvorak Serenade in d minor is indeed a gem.

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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2007, 03:48:25 PM »
I love the Serenade for Winds.  My 8th grade students love it too.  I took the first movement (the quasi-march) and arranged it for clarinet quintet.  The kids are playing it on the fall concert next week.

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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2008, 06:52:11 PM »
For some reason there is no wind instrument which delivers a good, rich, solid bass like the string bass does, so it is often used even in wind ensemble music.

I played string bass in my college wind ensemble and greatly enjoyed the experience. String players seldom get the chance to play in ensembles where the timbre of their instrument is unique.
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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2008, 02:51:22 AM »
For some reason there is no wind instrument which delivers a good, rich, solid bass like the string bass does, so it is often used even in wind ensemble music.

Yes it is,IMO: the baritone sax. Listen to Glazunoff's
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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2008, 05:23:35 AM »
Yes it is,IMO: the baritone sax. Listen to Glazunoff's
sax quartet.

I agree that the baritone saxophone has a full powerful sound. Because high school orchestral arrangements rarely include saxophone parts (which is annoying to me since so many high school students play the instrument and want to be involved in orchestra), I've had alto saxes doubling viola parts, tenors doubling the cellos, and baritone saxes doubling the string basses. The baritone sax does give a big boost to the bottom, but I think one reason the double bass is so often included in wind orchestras is for the quality of its attack. A bass playing pizzicato gives a nice bite to the low end with an articulation you can't get with any wind instrument.
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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2008, 02:15:02 PM »
For some reason there is no wind instrument which delivers a good, rich, solid bass like the string bass does, so it is often used even in wind ensemble music.
While I agree that no woodwind can make that kind of resonant bass, one tuba can give as much rich bass as a full string bass section.  But tuba players do have to breathe! :o 8)

Love the Dvořák Wind Serenade!  I almost got to play it once, but didn't due to a scheduling conflict. :-\
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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2008, 03:47:21 PM »
I seem to remember sightreading the bass part in a performance on the cello once as there weren't enough basses and it being really rather difficult... Maybe I was just young.
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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2008, 01:44:58 AM »
I heard the Marriner on the radio.  He seems to miss some of the Czech rhythms that Kertesz picks up on.

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Re: That one Dvorak piece
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2008, 06:01:17 AM »
While I agree that no woodwind can make that kind of resonant bass, one tuba can give as much rich bass as a full string bass section.

Nevertheless many concert bands include string bass, even though they already have tuba and bari sax, as well as my favorite bass instrument, the bass clarinet.