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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #460 on: August 24, 2017, 05:22:37 AM »
I've always been a big worshiper of his big orchestral works (and Catalog of Birds/organ works) but damn his smaller assorted chamber works are really fun to slice through. Lots of awesome lesser-known stuff. I've heard it all before, just not for a while. It's good to be back to Messiaen again  8)

BUT- did you hear the Foo Fighters with Rick Astley singing?????? that's what's important!!! ;) :D ;D :laugh:

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« Reply #462 on: November 05, 2017, 09:04:35 PM »
I always find myself back at Messiaen, whether it's from biography related stuff or from composing myself. Such a profound and exciting composer, the harmony alone is worth the price of admission  :D

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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #463 on: November 19, 2017, 07:30:51 PM »
Roll over Grisey, it's Messiaen season!


"and the birds sang their pretty song, and there is always music in the air"


BANG BANG Canyons BANG BANG Turangalila SCREAM!!!!!! Now smile of joy.

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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #464 on: November 19, 2017, 07:34:29 PM »
I wonder if they prescribe Ritalin to adults nowadays? I know someone who needs it. ;) ;D
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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #465 on: November 19, 2017, 07:49:08 PM »
I wonder if they prescribe Ritalin to adults nowadays? I know someone who needs it. ;) ;D

If that was too cryptic for you weelllllllll:

I got the full scores for both of those works right now and I'm on top of the fucking moon, so excited!  ;D  8)

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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #466 on: November 19, 2017, 07:50:45 PM »
And my new course is off to a grreeeeaaatt start  :-*

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« Reply #467 on: November 19, 2017, 08:00:58 PM »
I am not shitting you, there is a sparrow in the library (that obviously got through one of the main entrances)

I can't help but feel amused by that when I'm reading these Messiaen scores  :laugh:

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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #468 on: November 20, 2017, 01:02:59 AM »
Leaving out the work as a whole, both "Omao, leiothrix, elepaio, shama" and "Zion Park et la cité céleste" from Des Canyons really gets to me, it's so inspiring. Some of those big thick melodic chord sections bring on emotions close to tears, it's connected to that spiritually (not religious) invigorating sense of awe and beauty.   :'(

I really enjoy the hell out of "Appel interstellaire" (the big horn solo) and "Bryce Canyon et les rochers rouge-orange", both of which continue a sense of excitement and exotic, spacey colors.  8)

Just a fucking amazing work all round, but they are my favorite four sections I think   :)

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« Reply #469 on: November 20, 2017, 09:57:06 AM »
Leaving out the work as a whole, both "Omao, leiothrix, elepaio, shama" and "Zion Park et la cité céleste" from Des Canyons really gets to me, it's so inspiring. Some of those big thick melodic chord sections bring on emotions close to tears, it's connected to that spiritually (not religious) invigorating sense of awe and beauty.   :'(

I really enjoy the hell out of "Appel interstellaire" (the big horn solo) and "Bryce Canyon et les rochers rouge-orange", both of which continue a sense of excitement and exotic, spacey colors.  8)

Just a fucking amazing work all round, but they are my favorite four sections I think   :)

I saw this piece live during the Messiaen year 2008 and it was one of the best concerts I've ever been to. I wanted to cry during the slow 8th movement...
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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #470 on: November 20, 2017, 01:55:03 PM »
I saw this piece live during the Messiaen year 2008 and it was one of the best concerts I've ever been to. I wanted to cry during the slow 8th movement...

I love how he jumps between really majestic/ethereal/grand moods and more nuanced/solemn emotional (in a reserved, personal way) moods in his work. To which he has pretty much done right off the bat!

Messiaen also clearly articulates how intensity and calmness (or fast and slow, loud and quiet etc) both compliment each other, even at the same time (like Ives done in many ensemble/orchestral works)


So moving back to that 8th movement, the harmonies in that movement are so beautiful (though very idiosyncratic of Messiaen) and the birdsong too adds so much emotional weight in this movement.
But the very last movement of Canyons is probably the one that gets to me the most.


Turangalila, Quartet and Eclairs (off the top of my head) have slow movements that hit me hard too (disregarding the awesome faster/busier movements), the last movement of Eclairs for instance:

 :'( :'( :'( :'(

That pulls very strongly on my heart, more than any other piece I've heard.
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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #471 on: January 28, 2018, 07:58:26 PM »
Again I am seeking for the  best in the three big piano works, 'Visions...', 'vingt...', and the Catalog of Birds.


Aimard sounds great but is thoroughly MOR as far as taking chances and being dangerous


need a truly spectacular 'Visions...', in perfect sound


I do like Beroff"s 'Vingt...' in spite of any reservations


Muraro seems to be more affordable than Peter Hill...


Austbo seems better in 'Vingt...' than Aimard, but Aimard's sound is better??

Does anyone recommend Osborne over the competition in VR?



Serkin seems to be getting mixed reviews now that we have have so many moderns to choose from?



Messiaen can be such a tonic!

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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #472 on: January 28, 2018, 10:46:21 PM »





Does anyone recommend Osborne over the competition in VR?





Yes, for the colour. Osborne is good at piano colours.
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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992) VINGT REGARDS DEATH MATCH
« Reply #473 on: January 29, 2018, 09:05:12 AM »
Yes, for the colour. Osborne is good at piano colours.


Seriously, I need some help here...

My main problem would be $$$...

I have concluded from Reviews that Osborne would be the best choice here, but he is still at full price, @$30incl. s+h... with 'Visions...', and the Bird Catalog (also somewhat expensive), we're looking at quite the investment, hence, my desire to get that which will forever quench the desire (nobody wants to make a $30 error (not saying Osborne would be an error))...

I am drawn to Beroff for the sound and the sound the fingers are making, but I understand his recording couldn't hold a candle to the Hyperion.

I only hear good things about the Muraro DVD, no voices yet on the Accord recording...

I still want to know if anyone can compare Austbo with Aimard here. I like Austbo better, but the two sound pictures are different, and the Naxos has a lot more 'room' than the Teldec.


Ogdon[/b]&Loriod I'm currently dismissing at the time, just for my own reasons... I knowI know


The rest of the contenders, all on small labels?, are pretty expensive at full price...

Zehn?


http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Themes/default/images/bbc/bold.gifHOW DOES THIS CRAP HAPPEN????????so annoying

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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #474 on: January 29, 2018, 09:27:18 PM »
VINGT REGARDS


     Loriod'56       Loriod'88       Ogdon       Beroff        Serkin      Osborne        Muraro'99        Aimard         Batagov

01:**4:57              5:21            7:59*          5:42           8:10*         8:10*            5:06               6:10              9:09**

02:   2:47              2:55           *2:33           2:52           3:34          2:49              3:02               3:15              4:17*
03:   3:17              3:34          **1:47           3:28           3:19          3:37              3:24              *2:58              3:39

04:   4:54             *4:48            6:42**         5:09           4:56          5:02              4:57               5:16              7:08**
05:   5:45              5:36            8:35**        *5:14           6:27          6:53              6:33               5:24             10:15***
06:  10:40            10:23           *9:08         *9:04          10:46        *9:39             10:44             10:57            13:35**

07:  *3:42              *3:55           4:27*          4:53*          4:14          4:27*          **3:09             **3:34              5:51***

08:   2:26               2:22         **1:59          *2:07           2:20          2:14              2:20               2:17              2:43*
09:   3:24               3:00          *2:25           3:08           2:50          2:45              2:54               3:12              3:59**
10:                        8:40          11:24**         8:11           8:01         8:43              9:08                8:11            11:10**

11:                        7:51        ***4:38           *6:51           8:15         7:51              7:55             **6:23             8:56*

12:                        2:57            2:31           2:23            2:26        *2:19              2:35                2:23             2:53

13:                        4:10           *3:53           4:19           4:09          4:11              4:33*               4:01             5:08**
14:                        4:51            4:41           4:33           4:34          4:50              5:02                4:55             5:06

15:                      10:16           12:23          *8:38         12:04       11:42             11:42              10:04           18:05***

16:                        2:50             3:41           2:55         *2:33         3:09              2:56                3:10             3:44
17:                        5:10             5:35           5:02          6:05         5:31              5:02                5:12             7:02**
18:                        6:49             8:31**         6:23          5:41         6:20              6:19                6:26             7:05*

19:                        9:53            11:46          9:12          8:53        10:29             8:00               10:08           13:38***
20:                      12:53.............13:03       *11:19        13:00        15:34           12:45               11:59           16:24***
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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #475 on: February 02, 2018, 05:50:22 PM »
Has anyone heard this? Any good?

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« Reply #476 on: February 03, 2018, 03:25:30 AM »
Has anyone heard this? Any good?



I've heard it several times, thinking that it should wow me. It's certainly VERY good... I wonder if the clarinet part has ever been played as well as here; certainly never better.
I have in the past done comparative QPLFDTemps listenings (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2009/Jan09/Messiaen_quatuor.htm), but not here.
If I did a side-by-side, it might well come across atop or near the top, I imagine, but i'd still wonder why it didn't grab me right out of the box.

I like the recording of the Houston Chamber Players (Koch, oop) for their beauty in some movements, but perhaps also not enough to make them an over-all favorite.

Come to think of it, perhaps I should make a comparative review again.  :D


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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #477 on: February 03, 2018, 06:37:20 AM »
Thanks, Jens. That’s pretty much what I figured. A lot of times when you have renown musicians such as the ones on this recording the results aren’t always satisfying.
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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992) THE DARMSTADT ORGAN WORKS
« Reply #478 on: February 08, 2018, 09:31:37 AM »
Messe dd Pentecote
Livre d'Orgue


I have just discovered these two works and realize I have unearthed the "greatest", and, it seems, first Darmstadt influenced organ works. Except for Hindemith (who obviously didn't write Avant-Garde), I can't even think of who may even have contributed to the "Modern" organ repertoire. And these two are THE pieces, apparently!

IS ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH THESE? COMMENT?



And then there's the Meditations (1969), which must be considered THE... well, it's written at the height of the decadent '60s,... I'm just saying it does seem to be scary music, making me think of 'Rosemary'sBaby' and 'The Exorcist',... but, of course, not in an obvious way, but in the way the old generation was reacting to the Leftist takeover of society... blah blah...


ANYHOW, Messiaen's organ works of his maturity don't seem to get talked about much.... :(

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Re: Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992)
« Reply #479 on: February 08, 2018, 09:35:41 AM »
So far, I've got coming-

Catalogue d'Oiseaux: Roger Muraro (Accord) (simply beautiful piano image and playing!)

Visions de l'Amen: The Labeques (Erato-1969, because everyone said so)

Vingt Regards: Steven Osborne (Hyperion, because eeeveryone said so)


I CAN'T WAIT!! ;)


HAVE YOU HEARD CARL-AXEL DOMINIQUE IN 'Vingt Regards'??? WOW!!