Author Topic: Haydn's Haus  (Read 640951 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Online k a rl h e nn i ng

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 41471
  • Et quid amabo nisi quod ænigma est?
    • Henningmusick
  • Location: Boston, Mass.
  • Currently Listening to:
    Shostakovich, Frescobaldi, Stravinsky, JS Bach, Liszt, Chopin, Haydn, Henning
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11300 on: March 20, 2017, 04:40:09 AM »
I agree. But it was the Haydn, which I got first, which made me comfortable enough to get the Beethoven. So it's Gurn's (and his thread's) fault!  :D :-* Because everything Haydn related is Gurn's fault!  :P

That's fair 0:)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Offline George

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 4796
  • No One In The Whole Universe Will Ever Compare
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11301 on: March 20, 2017, 10:05:55 AM »
Me, three, for the Endellion.  But I also made a needle drop of the Juilliard.

The 1964-1970 set?
"I can't live without music, because music is life." - Yvonne Lefébure

Offline Daverz

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3917
  • You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down!
  • Location: San Diego
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11302 on: March 20, 2017, 06:16:30 PM »
The 1964-1970 set?

Did the Juilliard record Op. 54 more than once?  I have it on Epic and the blue cover CBS Lp posted earlier (my copy seems to be a Mexican CBS pressing).

Here's som fun for y'all, a ranking of the 104 symphonies by "some guy":

http://www.classicfm.com/composers/haydn/guides/definitive-ranking-haydn-symphonies/
« Last Edit: March 20, 2017, 07:15:39 PM by Daverz »

Online Jo498

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 3271
  • Location: Germany
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11303 on: March 21, 2017, 02:29:37 AM »
I think there is only one Juilliard recording of op.54; as I only have an mp3 or FLAC someone else made from an LP I don't know details.

The guy with the symphonies should maybe have taken a little more time to listen more thoroughly then results would not have been as ridiculous (although one has to admit that they are quite unpredictable: Nr.85 among the weakest 25?!)
« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 04:42:26 AM by Jo498 »
Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
(Bob Dylan)

Offline George

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 4796
  • No One In The Whole Universe Will Ever Compare
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11304 on: March 21, 2017, 03:21:27 AM »
Did the Juilliard record Op. 54 more than once? 

Sorry, I thought you meant Juilliard's Beethoven QTs.
"I can't live without music, because music is life." - Yvonne Lefébure

Online k a rl h e nn i ng

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 41471
  • Et quid amabo nisi quod ænigma est?
    • Henningmusick
  • Location: Boston, Mass.
  • Currently Listening to:
    Shostakovich, Frescobaldi, Stravinsky, JS Bach, Liszt, Chopin, Haydn, Henning
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11305 on: March 31, 2017, 04:23:46 AM »
Happy Birthday to The Man!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Offline Gurn Blanston

  • Haydn: that genius of vulgar music who induces an inordinate thirst for beer - Mily Balakirev (1860)
  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 30525
  • Support your local Haydn Society
    • Gurn's Haydn Blog
  • Location: Texas, where else?
  • Currently Listening to:
    Haydn, I reckon.
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11306 on: March 31, 2017, 06:30:31 AM »
Happy Birthday to The Man!

285 is a modest number of years (compared to Aristotle anyway). :D

8)
Help support GMG by purchasing from Amazon using this link

Visit my Haydn blog: HaydnSeek

Follow me on Twitter @GurnBlanston106

Online k a rl h e nn i ng

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 41471
  • Et quid amabo nisi quod ænigma est?
    • Henningmusick
  • Location: Boston, Mass.
  • Currently Listening to:
    Shostakovich, Frescobaldi, Stravinsky, JS Bach, Liszt, Chopin, Haydn, Henning
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11307 on: March 31, 2017, 06:34:52 AM »
He wears them graciously  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Offline George

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 4796
  • No One In The Whole Universe Will Ever Compare
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11308 on: March 31, 2017, 06:50:24 AM »
Happy Birthday to The Man!

So Haydn was an Aries. That makes sense.

Quote
Aries Traits: Enterprising, Incisive, Spontaneous, Daring, Active, Courageous and Energetic, the Aries are the proverbial infants, guileless and optimistic to the fault.
"I can't live without music, because music is life." - Yvonne Lefébure

Online Sergeant Rock

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 20751
  • Location: Wine Country Germany
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11309 on: March 31, 2017, 12:00:51 PM »
Here's som fun for y'all, a ranking of the 104 symphonies by "some guy":

http://www.classicfm.com/composers/haydn/guides/definitive-ranking-haydn-symphonies/

Thanks for the link, Dave. Although I disagree with many of his rankings (the Hen, Oxford and Farewell are absurdly underrated), his comments are intriguing and make me want to re-hear some of the symphonies.

(although one has to admit that they are quite unpredictable: Nr.85 among the weakest 25?!)

That's another one I disagree completely with the list-making critic. 85 is one of my Top 30.

Sarge
« Last Edit: March 31, 2017, 02:21:16 PM by Sergeant Rock »
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Offline Gurn Blanston

  • Haydn: that genius of vulgar music who induces an inordinate thirst for beer - Mily Balakirev (1860)
  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 30525
  • Support your local Haydn Society
    • Gurn's Haydn Blog
  • Location: Texas, where else?
  • Currently Listening to:
    Haydn, I reckon.
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11310 on: March 31, 2017, 12:07:21 PM »
Thanks for the link, Dave. Although I disagree with many of his his rankings, his comments are intriguing and make me want to re-hear some of the symphonies.

That's one I disagree completely with critic. 85 is one of my Top 30.

Sarge

The whole concept of there being a definitive way to 'rank' Haydn's symphonies is batshit crazy, so I have to admit that I refused to read the article. I'm listening to the Finale: Presto of #29 in E Major right now, and this movement alone puts it into the Top Whatever (yes, 106). I can hardly pick the top Paris or London symphony, and I venture I have heard the entire cycle more often than he has heard any one of them. Just sayin'... :)

8)
Help support GMG by purchasing from Amazon using this link

Visit my Haydn blog: HaydnSeek

Follow me on Twitter @GurnBlanston106

Online Sergeant Rock

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 20751
  • Location: Wine Country Germany
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11311 on: March 31, 2017, 12:29:15 PM »
The whole concept of there being a definitive way to 'rank' Haydn's symphonies is batshit crazy, so I have to admit that I refused to read the article. I'm listening to the Finale: Presto of #29 in E Major right now, and this movement alone puts it into the Top Whatever (yes, 106). I can hardly pick the top Paris or London symphony, and I venture I have heard the entire cycle more often than he has heard any one of them. Just sayin'... :)

8)

Oh yes, it is batshit crazy. Haydn wrote 106 superb symphonies. Not a dud among them. Ranking them is a fool's game (yeah, I'm a fool too  ;D ). Still, the exercise is fun, entertaining (if you don't take him seriously) and even informative. His comments, like your blog, have made me reevaluate some I hadn't given much thought to (so many slip through the cracks). For that reason alone, the article is worth reading.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Offline Gurn Blanston

  • Haydn: that genius of vulgar music who induces an inordinate thirst for beer - Mily Balakirev (1860)
  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 30525
  • Support your local Haydn Society
    • Gurn's Haydn Blog
  • Location: Texas, where else?
  • Currently Listening to:
    Haydn, I reckon.
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11312 on: March 31, 2017, 12:40:15 PM »
Oh yes, it is batshit crazy. Haydn wrote 106 superb symphonies. Not a dud among them. Ranking them is a fool's game (yeah, I'm a fool too  ;D ). Still, the exercise is fun, entertaining (if you don't take him seriously) and even informative. His comments, like your blog, have made me reevaluate some I hadn't given much thought to (so many slip through the cracks). For that reason alone, the article is worth reading.

Sarge

Yes, there are just so many of them, it is hard to remember where you heard that super little bit (oh, there it is, the finale of #59) that turned you on when you heard it last. I have often told people to not be put off by composers with a huge oeuvre, but seriously, it is hard sometimes not to be. And the three composers who have occupied the last decade for me (Haydn, Mozart and Vivaldi) all have humongous bodies of work, it is so difficult to get a solid grip on it all. :-\

I just took the shrinkwrap off Antonini's newest contribution:



At least Haydn was able to recognize me long in advance with his The Absent-minded Man symphony. :D

Il Distratto: hey, it's me!!  :-[

Cheers, Sarge,
8^)
Help support GMG by purchasing from Amazon using this link

Visit my Haydn blog: HaydnSeek

Follow me on Twitter @GurnBlanston106

Offline Florestan

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 12739
  • Location: Bucharest, Romania
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11313 on: March 31, 2017, 12:55:20 PM »
Took a quick look at "1732 births" entry on Wikipedia. Only two other people achieved (a certain amount of) fame: Beaumarchais and George Washington.  ;D

Have you ever heard of, and listened to anything by, Johann Christoph Friedrich Bach, the 5th son of Johann Sebastian?  :)
The most interesting information comes from children, for they tell all they know and then stop.
- Mark Twain

Offline North Star

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 15190
  • Location: Kuopio, Finland
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11314 on: March 31, 2017, 01:09:43 PM »
Have you ever heard of, and listened to anything by, Johann Christoph Friedrich Bach, the 5th son of Johann Sebastian?  :)
I have one trio sonata (in A major F.VII/2) in the HM Lumières box, will have to look into that.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

Offline Florestan

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 12739
  • Location: Bucharest, Romania
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11315 on: March 31, 2017, 01:15:13 PM »
the three composers who have occupied the last decade for me (Haydn, Mozart and Vivaldi) all have humongous bodies of work

You really need some Schubert in your life, my dear chap!  :D
The most interesting information comes from children, for they tell all they know and then stop.
- Mark Twain

Offline Florestan

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 12739
  • Location: Bucharest, Romania
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11316 on: March 31, 2017, 01:15:40 PM »
I have one trio sonata (in A major F.VII/2) in the HM Lumières box, will have to look into that.

Please report.
The most interesting information comes from children, for they tell all they know and then stop.
- Mark Twain

Offline Gurn Blanston

  • Haydn: that genius of vulgar music who induces an inordinate thirst for beer - Mily Balakirev (1860)
  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 30525
  • Support your local Haydn Society
    • Gurn's Haydn Blog
  • Location: Texas, where else?
  • Currently Listening to:
    Haydn, I reckon.
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11317 on: March 31, 2017, 02:02:30 PM »
You really need some Schubert in your life, my dear chap!  :D

Well, to appreciate the volume of music on my listening agenda, let's say those 3 = 90% of my listening. That still leaves me time for Beethoven, Schubert, CPE Bach, Dvorak, my very large collection of Classic Era keyboard sonatas, 18th century Austrian (mostly) sacred music, and the very occasional Russian Romantic (1870 - ~1970). Oh, and Biber and 17th century Italian violin music. So I really don't feel deprived. :D  I agree though, life without Schubert is very bleak indeed!  0:)

8)
Help support GMG by purchasing from Amazon using this link

Visit my Haydn blog: HaydnSeek

Follow me on Twitter @GurnBlanston106

Offline Gurn Blanston

  • Haydn: that genius of vulgar music who induces an inordinate thirst for beer - Mily Balakirev (1860)
  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 30525
  • Support your local Haydn Society
    • Gurn's Haydn Blog
  • Location: Texas, where else?
  • Currently Listening to:
    Haydn, I reckon.
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11318 on: March 31, 2017, 02:11:28 PM »
Have you ever heard of, and listened to anything by, Johann Christoph Friedrich Bach, the 5th son of Johann Sebastian?  :)

Oh dear, you have been deprived!  >:D

8)
Help support GMG by purchasing from Amazon using this link

Visit my Haydn blog: HaydnSeek

Follow me on Twitter @GurnBlanston106

Offline Florestan

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 12739
  • Location: Bucharest, Romania
Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11319 on: March 31, 2017, 02:14:49 PM »
life without Schubert is very bleak indeed! 

Amen!
The most interesting information comes from children, for they tell all they know and then stop.
- Mark Twain

Buying Music From Amazon?
Please consider using these links. A small percentage of every sale using these links is passed on to GMG and helps keep this forum online.
Amazon US
Amazon Canada
Amazon UK