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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11800 on: March 13, 2018, 08:24:56 AM »
OmG! I wish you a speedy recovery and all the best, my friend!

Thanks. Feeling better every day, especially now that I can read and sit at my computer longer than 10 minutes again! :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11801 on: March 13, 2018, 08:50:18 AM »
Keep a-mending, O Gurn!
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11802 on: March 13, 2018, 09:09:00 AM »
Keep a-mending, O Gurn!

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11803 on: March 13, 2018, 09:15:47 AM »
I was aware of your long hospitalization, but I did not know your recovery has been so difficult. All the best, and to avoid stress, don't watch the news. I'll keep an eye on things for you and send a PM if the time comes to run down into the bunker.  :)
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11804 on: March 13, 2018, 09:17:28 AM »
Thanks. Feeling better every day, especially now that I can read and sit at my computer longer than 10 minutes again! :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11805 on: March 13, 2018, 09:58:42 AM »
Thanks. Feeling better every day, especially now that I can read and sit at my computer longer than 10 minutes again! :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11806 on: March 13, 2018, 10:44:47 AM »
I was aware of your long hospitalization, but I did not know your recovery has been so difficult. All the best, and to avoid stress, don't watch the news. I'll keep an eye on things for you and send a PM if the time comes to run down into the bunker.  :)

:D  Thanks, nothing is more depressing than the news, I must say. Mustn't have a major setback at this point, so nice of you to take the hit for me. ;)

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Glad you are feeling better, Gurn:)

Thank you. For me personally, there is no more serious blow than not being able to sit still and read. Sure glad THAT's over with!  0:)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11807 on: March 14, 2018, 12:54:04 AM »
But the subject of this essay was too compelling to ignore for longer, and my long overdue look at the Kaiserlied is now published. Hope you enjoy it. :)

our immortal countryman Haydn

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Not to ignore the circumstances, but I really enjoyed the essay. I didn't know that Haydn himself was so fond of the tune.
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11808 on: March 14, 2018, 04:29:13 AM »
Not to ignore the circumstances, but I really enjoyed the essay. I didn't know that Haydn himself was so fond of the tune.

Thanks!  I had remembered reading things here and there about it, but it wasn't until I started to look them up that I realized there were so many. I left out the biggest one for a later time, but it is even more compelling.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11809 on: March 14, 2018, 07:06:41 AM »
Is Haydn ill served by such a conglomerate orchestral arrangement -- or well served? I say: This is much better than any lamely performed Haydn symphony in toto performed at the beginning of a concert.


Classical CD Of The Week: An Imaginary Orchestral Journey With Haydn And The LSO

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« Reply #11810 on: March 14, 2018, 07:09:08 AM »
Quote from: Jens
Every lamely performed Haydn symphony to open a concert – as a warmup, not quite taken seriously[1] – is a greater offense to the master than this amiable, well-intentioned in-concert sampler.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11811 on: March 14, 2018, 07:30:12 AM »
But these two do not exhaust the options. There is also the option of a well-played complete symphony and I don't really see why a sampler should be preferable to the latter or what purpose the sampler should serve in the first place. I understand a disc of highlights from a 3 (or 15) hour opera as "teaser". But who would hesitate to try a disc with three complete Haydn symphonies and rather try a sampler first?
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« Reply #11812 on: March 14, 2018, 07:36:43 AM »
But these two do not exhaust the options. There is also the option of a well-played complete symphony and I don't really see why a sampler should be preferable to the latter or what purpose the sampler should serve in the first place. I understand a disc of highlights from a 3 (or 15) hour opera as "teaser". But who would hesitate to try a disc with three complete Haydn symphonies and rather try a sampler first?

The disc in question, although I do call it that, isn't really a 'sampler'. It's, well... a journey across Haydn. And it doesn't preclude proper Haydn concerts from being done. (Though there are very, very, very few done well. I'm on a constant mission with every conductor and administrator I speak, to get well-done Haydn concerts onto programs -- with Haydn played last. But it's a slog even for those in power... much less for someone commenting from the sidelines.)

All I wanted to point out is that this 'sampler', this concert (which is what it was), is a BETTER approach than that what we usually get, when we get Haydn. I didn't mean to suggest that it wasn't worse than something ideal.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11813 on: March 14, 2018, 08:01:14 AM »
I wouldn't discourage anyone from it, hopefully it is new music to some and they will be attracted by what they hear. It isn't for me, but that's OK; anyone who gets to hear something 'new' by Haydn will have his/her day improved immeasurably!   :)

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« Reply #11814 on: March 14, 2018, 10:39:48 AM »
AFAIK Rattle recorded 4 discs with Haydn symphonies, two with the Birmingham (60/70/90, 22/102/86), two with the Berlin orchestra (88-92, Concertante). I have 3 of them and probably would have bought the 4th if I did not have already lots of Haydn. If Rattle had done another 1 or 2 discs with an interesting mix that not only included very frequently performed pieces, there would have been a decent chance that I purchased such a disc. There is zero chance that I purchase an "Imaginary Journey". And I am still not sure who would buy such a thing.

Another option would have been to do the chaos, earthquake, musical clocks and the ouverture in addition to two complete symphonies, say Farewell and another lesser known one. I might have bought such a disc.
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« Reply #11815 on: March 14, 2018, 11:02:29 AM »
AFAIK Rattle recorded 4 discs with Haydn symphonies, two with the Birmingham (60/70/90, 22/102/86), two with the Berlin orchestra (88-92, Concertante). I have 3 of them and probably would have bought the 4th if I did not have already lots of Haydn. If Rattle had done another 1 or 2 discs with an interesting mix that not only included very frequently performed pieces, there would have been a decent chance that I purchased such a disc. There is zero chance that I purchase an "Imaginary Journey". And I am still not sure who would buy such a thing.

Another option would have been to do the chaos, earthquake, musical clocks and the ouverture in addition to two complete symphonies, say Farewell and another lesser known one. I might have bought such a disc.

It lacks obvious appeal to Haydn-fans like us. I was quite surprised what a joyously-light and entertaining affair it turned out to be but wouldn't have been move, like you, have likely bought it, either.

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« Reply #11817 on: March 31, 2018, 01:16:16 AM »
I was casting my eye of the Hoboken catalogue recently and I had two questions about concertos:

1. The Flute Concerto Hob.VIIf:1, is it thought to be genuine? If so, why don't we hear it more? It's a very pretty piece.
2. The Cello Concerto Hob.VIIb:g1, is this lost or spurious? There don't seem to be any recordings of it.

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« Reply #11819 on: March 31, 2018, 05:04:02 AM »
I was casting my eye of the Hoboken catalogue recently and I had two questions about concertos:

1. The Flute Concerto Hob.VIIf:1, is it thought to be genuine? If so, why don't we hear it more? It's a very pretty piece.
2. The Cello Concerto Hob.VIIb:g1, is this lost or spurious? There don't seem to be any recordings of it.

Wikipedia has an answer to one of those questions. The Flute Concerto is lost. Are you sure that's the one you're hearing at all? Because there's another in the same key which is listed as spurious.

It doesn't even list a "VIIb:g1", so I don't know if that corresponds to one of the ones the article on Haydn concertos mentions.

EDIT: Ah. I see from another source that no, that cello concerto is a different one. But the numbering suggests that maybe it's a later discovery? I've found one tiny source suggesting that it's lost, so perhaps all that is known is the opening line or something.
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