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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11940 on: March 30, 2019, 06:08:13 PM »
Haydn's 6 Great Masses were not without controversy in their time. Not in Vienna, of course, but since he was now so hugely popular it didn't take long for them to travel elsewhere. But that is the least of the interests contained in this year's Theresienmesse, it is just plain beautiful! Here's some background.

Theresa had nothing to do with it!

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11941 on: April 06, 2019, 07:17:45 AM »
Cross post from the WAYLTN thread



The best comment upon Haydn's music comes from Haydn himself:

Quote from: Joseph Haydn
Often, when struggling against obstacles of every sort which oppose my labors: often, when the powers of mind and body weakened, and it was difficult to continue the course I had entered on; – a secret voice whispered to me: "there are so few happy and contented peoples here below; grief and sorrow are always their lot; perhaps your labors will once be a source from which the care-worn, or the man burdened with affairs, can derive a few moments rest and refreshment." This was indeed a powerful motive to press onwards, and this is why I now look back with cheerful satisfaction on the labors expended on this art, to which I have devoted so many long years of uninterrupted effort and exertion.
 

(emphasis mine)

Such supreme humility from the part of a genius aligns itself perfectly with the remark of another genius, perhaps not coincidentally contemporary with Haydn:

Quote from: Mozart
Neither a lofty degree of intelligence nor imagination nor both together go to the making of genius. Love, love, love, that is the soul of genius.

Haydn clearly loved his audience --- and it shows, big time. He is probably --- nay, certainly, in my book --- the most amiable, companionable and genial great composer ever. Whenever I have a listening burn out, I spin some Haydn, no matter what, and my love for music is instantly rekindled.  8)
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11942 on: April 06, 2019, 08:41:19 AM »
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Cross post from the WAYLTN thread



The best comment upon Haydn's music comes from Haydn himself:

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Quote from: Joseph Haydn
Often, when struggling against obstacles of every sort which oppose my labors: often, when the powers of mind and body weakened, and it was difficult to continue the course I had entered on; – a secret voice whispered to me: "there are so few happy and contented peoples here below; grief and sorrow are always their lot; perhaps your labors will once be a source from which the care-worn, or the man burdened with affairs, can derive a few moments rest and refreshment." This was indeed a powerful motive to press onwards, and this is why I now look back with cheerful satisfaction on the labors expended on this art, to which I have devoted so many long years of uninterrupted effort and exertion.
(emphasis mine)

Such supreme humility from the part of a genius aligns itself perfectly with the remark of another genius, perhaps not coincidentally contemporary with Haydn:

Quote
Quote from: Mozart
Neither a lofty degree of intelligence nor imagination nor both together go to the making of genius. Love, love, love, that is the soul of genius.

Haydn clearly loved his audience --- and it shows, big time. He is probably --- nay, certainly, in my book --- the most amiable, companionable and genial great composer ever. Whenever I have a listening burn out, I spin some Haydn, no matter what, and my love for music is instantly rekindled.  8)

That's a very nice quote, and very Haydnish. I am curious about the source, since I don't recall having seen it before. But I'm old, I forget stuff... :-\

Nevertheless, I think it very much expresses the Haydn I have come to know from the last 10 years of reading about him. And I agree, the music speaks for itself, it never fails to give me great pleasure. And Mozart is not far behind. It is, IMO, a combination of genius which they both had a superabundance of, and the Enlightened culture of the era. Oh, and not to mention the Viennese slant on life which they both grew up with. :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11943 on: April 06, 2019, 08:46:09 AM »
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11944 on: April 06, 2019, 08:48:43 AM »
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11945 on: April 06, 2019, 09:01:16 AM »
the Viennese slant on life which they both grew up with. :)

Ah, yes, Gemütlichkeit! My favoritest German word!  :)

Schubert & the Strauss family had it in their genes --- Beethoven and Brahms fought hard to acquire it, yet never succeeded completely.  ;D
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11946 on: April 06, 2019, 01:00:16 PM »
Got it; Complete Correspondence and London Notebooks of Joseph Haydn by Robbins Landon. Page 260. It is from a letter he wrote in 1802, which I haven't got to yet, of course. It certainly expresses his personal philosophy well, which is something you see a lot more as he gets older. I suppose old guys tend to talk/think more about their mortality and reason for being. :)
Ah, yes, Gemütlichkeit! My favoritest German word!  :)

Schubert & the Strauss family had it in their genes --- Beethoven and Brahms fought hard to acquire it, yet never succeeded completely.  ;D

A very fine word indeed!  Haydn relocated to Vienna when he was 7 or 8 y.o.. Might as well have been a native. Mozart also was only, what, 6 or 7 the first time he went there? He was a cultural sponge, he would have fit in anywhere he went. You're right, IMO; B & B were Germans to the end!  :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11947 on: May 09, 2019, 06:39:37 AM »
Just got a new email from the Haydn2032 project. Recording soon: "Au goût parisien":

Kammerorchester Basel
Giovanni Antonini, Dirigent

Joseph Haydn:
Sinfonie Nr. 24 in D-Dur
Sinfonie Nr. 87 in A-Dur
Sinfonie Nr. 2 in C-Dur
Sinfonie Nr. 82 L’Ours in C-Dur

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11948 on: May 09, 2019, 07:28:35 AM »
Just got a new email from the Haydn2032 project. Recording soon: "Au goût parisien":

Kammerorchester Basel
Giovanni Antonini, Dirigent

Joseph Haydn:
Sinfonie Nr. 24 in D-Dur
Sinfonie Nr. 87 in A-Dur
Sinfonie Nr. 2 in C-Dur
Sinfonie Nr. 82 L’Ours in C-Dur

So they're on track to finish the series before the polar ice caps melt?
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11949 on: May 09, 2019, 09:16:19 AM »
So they're on track to finish the series before the polar ice caps melt?

I'm not betting on that, given the relative pace of each. But they have announced as far out as #10, I think, but only have released as far as #7. So 13 more years is do-able, I guess. :)

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