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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11380 on: April 12, 2017, 08:27:02 AM »
So when we observe that Haydn and Mozart were seriously thought of as romantics, the term doesn't mean what we in the early 21st century may be apt to think?

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I have to say, I'm not really sure that the term meant to Brahms or Tchaikovsky what it mean to us in the 21st century. :D  There are those who say that Sturm und Drang is the true precursor to eventual 'Romantic' music. I don't know, all that musicology stuff is hard on the old brain pan. :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11381 on: April 12, 2017, 08:29:06 AM »
What Florestan wrote is pretty much all I knew either. I have certainly seen the name with a tilde over the 'n', I think it is not shown here for two different reasons: the old debate about whether to accent upper-case letters, and the fact that some people don't know how to make one!  ñ  :D

In the early 18th century, the countries we now call Spain and Austria, along with many other discrete parts of Europe, were all part of the Habsburg possessions. Maria Theresia's father, Charles VI, was, for a time, the King of Spain. The point being that many modern families which we would call Spanish, Italian, Belgian, Hungarian etc, were, to each other, simply Habsburg vassals, and so we see a lot of nationalities turning up in Vienna. My guess would be this is what happened here.

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The composer was at least one generation removed from Spain, possibly more.  I would guess that the tilde, if it was there in his father's era, would have dropped out of sight, and the composer referred to as von Ordonez with no tilde: orthographic assimilation.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11382 on: April 12, 2017, 08:32:29 AM »
The composer was at least one generation removed from Spain, possibly more.  I would guess that the tilde, if it was there in his father's era, would have dropped out of sight, and the composer referred to as von Ordonez with no tilde: orthographic assimilation.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11383 on: April 12, 2017, 08:40:07 AM »
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« Reply #11384 on: April 12, 2017, 08:49:12 AM »
Fixed.  :D
That doesn't strike me as entirely appropriate as spelling conventions were less than fixed. ;)
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11385 on: April 20, 2017, 06:17:04 AM »
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11386 on: April 20, 2017, 07:28:51 AM »
https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/podzim2015/VH_804a/Hudebni_kultura_v_Haydnove_Vidni.pdf

Interesting article on Haydn and his times.

Yes, that is a very interesting article. I recommend it. I got a lot of info about salons from that essay, hard to find anywhere else.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11387 on: April 28, 2017, 11:42:49 AM »
I really have developed a taste for smaller works, I don't really think of them as small, In Haydn's case they contain a pretty big chunk of music in that small package. That's what I discovered this time. :)

Let's march and sing,
 it's all the rage!


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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11388 on: April 28, 2017, 05:08:18 PM »
I like how you managed to get one of the two serpents at the exact center of the image.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11389 on: April 28, 2017, 05:25:54 PM »
I like how you managed to get one of the two serpents at the exact center of the image.

:D Thanks, people don't usually notice those little touches. Boy, finding a painting of a cavalry band was an all evening task!!  :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11390 on: April 29, 2017, 06:44:58 AM »
Boy, finding a painting of a cavalry band was an all evening task!!  :)

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And well worth the time spent: a fascinating painting that I'd not seen before, illustrating a fascinating Haydn story I'd not heard before. 50 guineas! Wow.

The two marches are on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mE5IaE4KlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpa8AcnhWAA


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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11391 on: April 29, 2017, 06:58:04 AM »
And well worth the time spent: a fascinating painting that I'd not seen before, illustrating a fascinating Haydn story I'd not heard before. 50 guineas! Wow.

The two marches are on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mE5IaE4KlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpa8AcnhWAA


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Thanks, Sarge, I had you in mind when I was writing that part, I know you like your marches as much as I do. The piano reductions of those marches are readily available, but the only orchestrated versions I have are on this disk. It is actually the same disk that the Youtube tracks are from. I bought it on sight, and was glad I did because it didn't hang around for long!

I justified going out of time on the painting because George IV was Prince of Wales when Haydn wrote that march for him. It was the best I could do, fortunately it worked out well!  :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11392 on: April 29, 2017, 08:21:41 AM »
There are two other marches (Hob VIII:3 and Hob VIII3 bis) on the second disc of this box:





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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11393 on: April 29, 2017, 08:36:50 AM »
There are two other marches (Hob VIII:3 and Hob VIII3 bis) on the second disc of this box:



Yes, and they are excellent recordings too. I wish Huss had done a whole disk of marches (and dances). #3 is the Prince of Wales march mentioned a bit ago. 3bis is a reorchestration of it that Haydn did for the Royal Society of Musicians, he added several parts so it could be performed on stage by a chamber-sized orchestra. Other than the other disk I mentioned, and this one here, march recordings by orchestra are pretty darned hard to find!  :-\  I think the whole bunch are available as piano reductions though, by Brautigam and Oort certainly, and probably several others who don't leap to mind right now. Same with dances, even ones that have available orchestral scores. :(

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11394 on: May 21, 2017, 06:31:23 AM »
Things been quiet in da Haus!  ???

Meantime, I've been touring the Scottish Highlands and the mountains of Transylvania and just having a great time. Did you know that 18th century Londoners believed the Highlanders were cannibals? Strewth! Well, I couldn't provoke that behavior, but I did have a nice time. Here's what I discovered.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11395 on: May 24, 2017, 03:19:25 AM »
Things been quiet in da Haus!  ???

Aye  8)

Another post of yours reminds me that it is probably time that I revisit the Van Swieten Trio . . . .
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11396 on: May 24, 2017, 04:23:25 AM »
Aye  8)

Another post of yours reminds me that it is probably time that I revisit the Van Swieten Trio . . . .

Always a worthwhile endeavor. I didn't traverse the cycle, but a goodly portion of it. Underrated. :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11397 on: May 24, 2017, 07:37:40 AM »
Dr. Haydn's Exotic Music Revue
Check it out!

The Austro-Hungarian army certainly had a novel way of recruiting! Thank god I didn't have to dance with my Captain and First Sergeant when I was a recruiter  ;D

As always, Gurn, your latest post was a good and informative read.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11398 on: May 24, 2017, 08:20:47 AM »
The Austro-Hungarian army certainly had a novel way of recruiting! Thank god I didn't have to dance with my Captain and First Sergeant when I was a recruiter  ;D

As always, Gurn, your latest post was a good and informative read.

Sarge

Thanks, Sarge. I also found it fascinating. One thing about writing on the history of a subject (any subject, really) is the tremendous number of things you discover that you never even suspected. There are some Youtubes of moderns doing these dances, Romanians actually, and they are pretty amazing. I got tired out just watching them!  :D

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11399 on: May 24, 2017, 08:48:59 AM »
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