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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11720 on: January 22, 2018, 08:43:56 AM »
Yes, I really like this kind of tidy compilations from tycoons

What about violin concertos, Sinfonia Concertante(105), Flute Trios(London), The Creation and Arianna a Naxos?

Just to say that I spent years collecting these things, if I tried to buy them all at once I would have to mortgage my dog... :)

You said you had the Carmignola VC's, let me look when I get home, I have a bunch of them (I like Standage, for example, but probably not more than Carmignola). I'll get back on that one.

Flute trios have several competitors also. The nicest one, IMO, is the Kuijken brothers. The Sans Souci on CPO are very fine also. Now, if you mean the Flute & Keyboard trios, as opposed to the 2 flutes and cello trios, then also on CPO there is a disk by Camerata Köln that is hard to beat, although dozens try. Patrick Cohen and the Mosaiques guys do a nice job too.

The Creation in English is McCreesh. In German, I think I have all the PI ones, and I have to say the Spering on Naxos pleases me as much as any. Harnoncourt is no slouch either.

For the Masses, the Rebel Baroque on Naxos is the best choice, although there is a lot of good competition here.

For Arianna a Naxos I have easily a dozen and a half, but Andrea Folan with Tom Beghin on Bridge, or better yet the double CD with all 24 of the German Lieder (on Alpha?) is hard to beat.

This doesn't even scratch the surface of the Scottish Songs, or the Baryton Trios or the String Trios or.... :)

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Sinfonia concertante: let me look this one up too, I like Angerer (Gramola?) for example, but have a bunch of them. Petite Bande is nice...
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11721 on: January 22, 2018, 09:00:44 AM »
I think it is an excellent box, Brautigam is a top shelf player and the instrument he uses is one of the finest sounding fortepianos I have heard.  So, I guess, yeah. :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11722 on: January 22, 2018, 09:20:32 AM »
Are you off Beghin now?

Nope. I was recc'ing for him, not me. I love the harpsichord and clavichord in the early works, and Brautigam is fortepiano all the way through. I didn't want to rec anything 'tinny'. :D :D

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11723 on: January 22, 2018, 09:22:34 AM »
Nope. I was recc'ing for him, not me. I love the harpsichord and clavichord in the early works, and Brautigam is fortepiano all the way through. I didn't want to rec anything 'tinny'. :D :D

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11724 on: January 22, 2018, 10:02:43 AM »

I always figured you for a tin ear.   ;D

Hell, you may be right about that. I do gots rhythm though.... ;)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11725 on: January 22, 2018, 10:04:13 AM »
1797 was a momentous year for Austria, thus for Haydn. For music lovers, it was the year of the Opus 76 quartets and the Austrian National Anthem. But the major character of the drama of that year wasn't a musician...

Now it's on!

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11726 on: January 22, 2018, 10:44:32 AM »
That one is good but this one was all the rave around here a few  years ago:

Tom Beghin

Thank you but I specifically mentioned avoiding tins :). I listen to clavichord but I can't stand a few specific early fortepianos. I can list their models if need be  ;)

I didn't want to rec anything 'tinny'.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11727 on: January 22, 2018, 10:49:26 AM »
Thank you but I specifically mentioned avoiding tins :). I listen to clavichord but I can't stand a few specific early fortepianos. I can list their models if need be  ;)

Not necessary.  I go back and forth on period instruments, sometimes I don't want to hear any of them and prefer modern piano; other times I enjoy them more than anything.  You can't go wrong with the Brautigam set.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11728 on: January 22, 2018, 10:53:55 AM »
Does anyone have a good FP rec for the piano concertos?
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11729 on: January 22, 2018, 11:51:01 AM »
Does anyone have a good FP rec for the piano concertos?

Like with the solo keyboard, Brautigam is hard to beat.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11730 on: January 22, 2018, 12:37:24 PM »
Andsnes/EMI is good if one prefers a modern piano like me - livelier than for example Ax, IMO. I´ve got Brautigam too, and he plays well.

https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical/products/7951238--haydn-keyboard-concertos-no-3-4-and-11#tracklist
https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical/products/7935389--haydn-keyboard-concertos
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11731 on: January 22, 2018, 02:23:38 PM »
Just to say that I spent years collecting these things, if I tried to buy them all at once I would have to mortgage my dog... :)

You said you had the Carmignola VC's, let me look when I get home, I have a bunch of them (I like Standage, for example, but probably not more than Carmignola). I'll get back on that one.

Flute trios have several competitors also. The nicest one, IMO, is the Kuijken brothers. The Sans Souci on CPO are very fine also. Now, if you mean the Flute & Keyboard trios, as opposed to the 2 flutes and cello trios, then also on CPO there is a disk by Camerata Köln that is hard to beat, although dozens try. Patrick Cohen and the Mosaiques guys do a nice job too.

The Creation in English is McCreesh. In German, I think I have all the PI ones, and I have to say the Spering on Naxos pleases me as much as any. Harnoncourt is no slouch either.

For the Masses, the Rebel Baroque on Naxos is the best choice, although there is a lot of good competition here.

For Arianna a Naxos I have easily a dozen and a half, but Andrea Folan with Tom Beghin on Bridge, or better yet the double CD with all 24 of the German Lieder (on Alpha?) is hard to beat.

This doesn't even scratch the surface of the Scottish Songs, or the Baryton Trios or the String Trios or.... :)

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Sinfonia concertante: let me look this one up too, I like Angerer (Gramola?) for example, but have a bunch of them. Petite Bande is nice...

I'll act on this one after you complete it. I don't cover H5, H11 and H31. I've tried hard for baryton trios once but... I'd love to see if you have any special discs for H5 though.
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11732 on: January 22, 2018, 05:29:03 PM »
I'll act on this one after you complete it. I don't cover H5, H11 and H31. I've tried hard for baryton trios once but... I'd love to see if you have any special discs for H5 though.
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Violin concertos;







So this is what I have. Some of them only have #1 & 4, the rest have 1, 3 & 4. In some cases, the filler work is pretty fine, for example, the Podger has my favorite Mozart Sinfonia concertante, and the Wallfisch has one of my favorite Haydn Sinfonia concertante.  Midori Seiler is excellent. So is Carmignola and Guglielmo. Frankly, there isn't a loser in the bunch, but the Wallfisch does kill 2 birds by giving a fine SC, although you lose the Concerto in A.  Your call, I guess. You can always use Carmignola's #3 and then not worry about it. :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #11733 on: January 22, 2018, 05:48:25 PM »
I'll act on this one after you complete it. I don't cover H5, H11 and H31. I've tried hard for baryton trios once but... I'd love to see if you have any special discs for H5 though.
Thanks a lot for an active and very enjoyable day you begot.

Gotta say, try this Baryton Trios; if you don't like it, then give up on them for a few years. They are an acquired taste, maybe they need to sit for a while! :)



For the String Trios, choices are thin on the ground. Camerata Berolinensis began a series a few years ago but only got these 2 disks completed. They are well worth the effort to dig up. Haydn didn't write string trios because he couldn't write quartets yet, he wrote them because he was inspired to do so and was damned good at it.  :)




Here is an outstanding disk of songs, some of the canzonettas and Scottish Songs done as they would have been in a salon. Also, this is the disk of German Lieder I was telling you about with Arianna a Naxos and the 24 German songs.




Finally, the Sinfonia concertante. Well, there is the Wallfisch above.  And I really do like this one, the sound of the solo instruments is really quite special (although a modern oboist would probably go 'yeewww'). Screw a modern oboist anyway. :D



There are others in this vein, but this will do for a start. :)

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« Reply #11734 on: January 23, 2018, 07:20:35 AM »
Now, if you mean the Flute & Keyboard trios, as opposed to the 2 flutes and cello trios...
London are  H.IV/1-4. I was asking for H.IV/1-4

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« Reply #11735 on: January 23, 2018, 07:55:55 AM »
London are  H.IV/1-4. I was asking for H.IV/1-4

Well, I'm happy with Sans Souci on CPO, but I especially like the Kuijken's. There really are lots of choices though, like the Ensemble Agora, and the Schönbrunn Ensemble. If you can find the Kuijken disk on Accent which has been re-released, this is the older cover though:



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« Reply #11736 on: January 23, 2018, 07:59:48 AM »
Well, I'm happy with Sans Souci on CPO, but I especially like the Kuijken's. There really are lots of choices though, like the Ensemble Agora, and the Schönbrunn Ensemble. If you can find the Kuijken disk on Accent which has been re-released, this is the older cover though:
I have that Kuijken and at least a couple more but could you point me to Sans Souci on H 6 /1-4?

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« Reply #11737 on: January 23, 2018, 08:04:10 AM »


Regarding the violin concertos, there's also a disc by Isabelle Faust (original (?) cover and recent reissue cover above) ... would have to relisten but these concertos have so far not made all that much of an impression (I know one of them is on the mixed concertos set I recommended above, I guess that would then be my favourite Haydn VC up to now).
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« Reply #11738 on: January 23, 2018, 08:04:50 AM »
I have that Kuijken and at least a couple more but could you point me to Sans Souci on H 6 /1-4?

I retract that, they don't do 1-4, they do 6-11. My confusion. This may also apply to some others. I mostly listen to the Kuijken's and so I get them mixed up sometimes... :-\

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« Reply #11739 on: January 23, 2018, 08:08:37 AM »


Regarding the violin concertos, there's also a disc by Isabelle Faust (original (?) cover and recent reissue cover above) ... would have to relisten but these concertos have so far not made all that much of an impression (I know one of them is on the mixed concertos set I recommended above, I guess that would then be my favourite Haydn VC up to now).

I've been circling in between Accardo, Carmignola and Standage for a quite while. Faust is not good in Haydn