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« Reply #11600 on: February 21, 2018, 10:53:02 PM »
The other one that comes to mind is Schiff, who moves back and forth. He is still known as a modern pianist, but he does very well on fortepiano, even adopting the idiom.

...also Brautigam.

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« Reply #11601 on: February 22, 2018, 12:39:48 AM »
I think you have to learn performance style all over again with each new piece, because you can't perform any two pieces in the exact same way, and certainly you can't perform the music of different time periods in exactly the same way (even on a modern instrument).

Other successful modern keyboard players who also developed a HIP style would include Alexei Lubimov & Peter Serkin.

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« Reply #11602 on: February 22, 2018, 06:07:15 AM »
I think you have to learn performance style all over again with each new piece, because you can't perform any two pieces in the exact same way, and certainly you can't perform the music of different time periods in exactly the same way (even on a modern instrument).

Other successful modern keyboard players who also developed a HIP style would include Alexei Lubimov & Peter Serkin.
...also Brautigam.

Yes, I agree with that, performing the music of different periods in the same style is something that has always bothered me. You hear it in all sorts of instrumental combinations including full orchestra. This is exactly what sent me over the HIP cliff 25 years ago!

I didn't know Lubimov as a modern pianist, nor do I really know Serkin as a PI player. I'll have to see what I can find by him.

Yes, Brautigam too. IIRC, I have a Mendelssohn concertos disk by him on modern piano (??).

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« Reply #11603 on: February 22, 2018, 06:16:07 AM »
Yes, Brautigam too. IIRC, I have a Mendelssohn concertos disk by him on modern piano (??).

He recorded the complete Songs without Words on a 2010 Paul McNulty copy of a 1830 Pleyel



and Rachmaninoff's complete preludes on a presumably modern piano (no details are offered in the booklet)

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« Reply #11604 on: February 22, 2018, 06:38:21 AM »
Those SWW's look interesting. This is the one I was talking about though, they are careful to always call it a piano, no forte involved anywhere. It is a Fazioli, which I know nothing about.



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« Reply #11605 on: February 22, 2018, 06:43:45 AM »
That looks quite interesting, actually.

Go figure, Brautigam also recorded Schnittke and Shostakovich.  :)
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« Reply #11606 on: February 22, 2018, 06:47:22 AM »
That looks quite interesting, actually.

Go figure, Brautigam also recorded Schittke and Shostakovich.  :)

Ouch!  Please: Schnittke, Schnittke.
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« Reply #11607 on: February 22, 2018, 06:50:49 AM »
Ouch!  Please: Schnittke, Schnittke.

Typo, Karl, just a typo.
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« Reply #11608 on: February 22, 2018, 06:53:12 AM »


What a fantastic hair has always had Brautigam!  :D
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« Reply #11609 on: February 22, 2018, 06:53:43 AM »
Typo, Karl, just a typo.

Oh, I know.

But, an unfortunate one  0:)
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« Reply #11610 on: February 22, 2018, 06:54:06 AM »
What a fantastic hair has always had Brautigam!  :D

Indeedie.
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« Reply #11611 on: February 22, 2018, 06:54:41 AM »
Oh, I know.

But, an unfortunate one  0:)

Corrected.
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« Reply #11612 on: February 22, 2018, 06:57:36 AM »
I thank thee.
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« Reply #11613 on: February 22, 2018, 06:59:05 AM »
Jörg Demus, an old glory, and almost an exact contemporary of Badura-Skoda, should mentioned too.  :)
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« Reply #11614 on: February 22, 2018, 07:19:48 AM »
Jörg Demus, an old glory, and almost an exact contemporary of Badura-Skoda, should mentioned too.  :)

Yes, absolutely. One of my favorite disks of the last couple of years (2011, but I just got it last year) is JD and PBS playing Mozart 4-hand. Just 2 really old guys, playing with the best of them!



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« Reply #11615 on: February 22, 2018, 07:43:35 AM »
and Rachmaninoff's complete preludes on a presumably modern piano (no details are offered in the booklet)



27 preludes? That's really complete.  ;D

I did some googling and found another (likely correct) image:

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« Reply #11616 on: February 22, 2018, 07:46:29 AM »
27 preludes? That's really complete.  ;D

I did some googling and found another (likely correct) image:



Hah! I hadn't noticed that.  :D
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« Reply #11617 on: February 22, 2018, 09:20:24 AM »
27 preludes? That's really complete.  ;D

I did some googling and found another (likely correct) image:



Not to too far afield, but Rachmaninoff did in fact write 27 preludes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Sergei_Rachmaninoff

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« Reply #11618 on: February 22, 2018, 12:51:12 PM »
Not to too far afield, but Rachmaninoff did in fact write 27 preludes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Sergei_Rachmaninoff

The Brautigam disc has only 24, though: op. 3 no. 2, op. 23 and op. 32. At least my copy has. Now this is a mistery: could there be a release with the same cover which has all 27 of them?  ???

EDIT: Yes, a Google search show this to be the case. There are actually two different releases with the same cover, one supercomplete with all 27, one with only 24.
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« Reply #11619 on: February 23, 2018, 04:31:25 AM »
EDIT: Yes, a Google search show this to be the case. There are actually two different releases with the same cover, one supercomplete with all 27, one with only 24.

Thanks; I rather suspected so  :)
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