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Offline (poco) Sforzando

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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2017, 07:22:59 PM »
I for one like the technicalities. I find them emotionally moving.
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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2017, 03:52:45 AM »
I for one like the technicalities. I find them emotionally moving.

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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2017, 02:04:08 AM »
Oh, dem British public schooled old boys... lol.

The man managed, quite deftly in one fell swoop, to insult the intelligence of the entirety of the music-making and music-listening public... with those few rare true hermaphrodites included, I suppose.

And I, with my American version of a background of 'public schooling' -- i.e. a (private) Arts Academy prep school -- say to what this British Old Boy said, "Pish-tosh and cobsnuts."

So, there.
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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2017, 02:12:39 AM »
One of the executives within BBC radio has claimed this week that men predominately listen to the technicalities of music, whilst women have a predominantly emotional response.

I don't understand the premise of that claim.

First what are technicalities? theory?  :-\ and how do they differ from emotions?

As a listener, I just hear the music as it is....idk, who wants pizza? I'll order

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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2017, 11:34:46 AM »
what are technicalities? theory?  :-\ and how do they differ from emotions?

Technicalities differ from emotions in exactly the same way as knowing that tears are produced by an excitation of the lacrimal glands differs from crying.  ;D

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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2017, 03:30:50 PM »
Technicalities differ from emotions in exactly the same way as knowing that tears are produced by an excitation of the lacrimal glands differs from crying.  ;D

From a play I read:

SYLVAN Do you know I spent an afternoon once tracing the key relationships in the scherzo from Beethoven’s first Rasumovsky Quartet. It’s this wonderful, kaleidoscopic piece where Beethoven is juggling six, seven themes in the air, and I found that even though it touches almost every key center, the one key it never uses is the simple, basic subdominant. And I found that fascinating.
GODFREY Can’t you just enjoy your music without thinking about it so much?
SYLVAN But I enjoy thinking about it.
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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2017, 04:50:12 PM »
Technicalities differ from emotions in exactly the same way as knowing that tears are produced by an excitation of the lacrimal glands differs from crying.  ;D

Do you enjoy a dish less knowing what ingredients make it delicious? Why would you think recognizing the harmonic structure of a piece would make it any less moving?

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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2017, 04:53:17 PM »
Do you enjoy a dish less knowing what ingredients make it delicious? Why would you think recognizing the harmonic structure of a piece would make it any less moving?

Actually, I prefer not to know what I'm eating. Ignorance is bliss, I'd probably not eat a lot of stuff if I knew exactly how it was made.

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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2017, 05:16:25 PM »
Do you enjoy a dish less knowing what ingredients make it delicious?

No.

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Why would you think recognizing the harmonic structure of a piece would make it any less moving?

Well, I cannot recognize anything nearly resembling harmonic structure....
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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2017, 05:32:18 PM »
Do you enjoy a dish less knowing what ingredients make it delicious?

With knowing the context of a piece:

Could be like some musician writing the most beautiful melody ever written, then going off and murdering 20 people straight after.


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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2017, 06:05:43 PM »
Actually, I prefer not to know what I'm eating. Ignorance is bliss, I'd probably not eat a lot of stuff if I knew exactly how it was made.
This is why I prefer to eat healthy............

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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2017, 06:12:56 PM »
Do you enjoy a dish less knowing what ingredients make it delicious? Why would you think recognizing the harmonic structure of a piece would make it any less moving?

I think this is a good analogy. ;D

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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2017, 06:13:39 PM »
Actually, I prefer not to know what I'm eating. Ignorance is bliss, I'd probably not eat a lot of stuff if I knew exactly how it was made.

"Secret sauce"
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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2017, 06:27:37 PM »
"Secret sauce"

And the secret sauce for you tonight is fried gravy with injected Plantonist inspired maggot-stenched cow urine baked in a tub of lobster oil, severed ears soaked in greasy clam blood marinade.

...that will be $90

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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2017, 06:30:06 PM »
This is why I prefer to eat healthy............

I'm not quite like this though, I can still move my neck if I'm leaning in the right direction:  ;D



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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2017, 07:44:19 PM »
I don't understand the premise of that claim.

...who wants pizza? I'll order.

Bacon, Black Olive, and Mushroom, please.  Thank you very much.
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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #76 on: May 13, 2017, 07:45:58 PM »
Technicalities differ from emotions in exactly the same way as knowing that tears are produced by an excitation of the lacrimal glands differs from crying.  ;D

Oh my word.  That is rather perfect:  one is dry, the other wet, lol.
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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2017, 04:18:01 AM »
Well, I cannot recognize anything nearly resembling harmonic structure....

You most certainly can. There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that you could easily identify a dominant seventh chord, a plagal cadence, an appoggiatura, a diminished seventh, a modulation, and much more whenever you hear any of these things, and I assure you that you hear every one of them often. You just may not have the vocabulary to identify what you are hearing.
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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2017, 09:59:59 AM »
You most certainly can. There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that you could easily identify a dominant seventh chord, a plagal cadence, an appoggiatura, a diminished seventh, a modulation, and much more whenever you hear any of these things, and I assure you that you hear every one of them often. You just may not have the vocabulary to identify what you are hearing.

That is certainly true.
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Re: How do you hear music?
« Reply #79 on: May 15, 2017, 04:42:28 AM »
"The problem with listening, of course, is that we don't. There's too much noise going on in our heads, so we never hear anything." Philip Glass

I completely agree with this, as I'm always trying to quiet my mind while listening to music.  So if an emotion, memory, image, etc., comes to me, I take it in and then pass it by going back to the music.  It's often quite hard for me concentrate, especially on music rich in complexity.  So I guess how I hear music is that I try to listen to it as best as I could.

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