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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1460 on: February 27, 2012, 10:44:56 PM »
In general, they were recorded in order, but not exactly.  That is CDs 1-3 were recorded April 95 to Jan 96, CDs 4-6 later in 1996, and so forth--but  CD 2 was recorded after CD 3.


You could be right about the bias the early composed music creates. Still, I feel Vernet grew somewhat into Bach styllistically while recording this set. It's a very enjoyable set BTW, I'm happy I got it as my 2nd complete set.  :)

After this I'm not quite sure if there would be a next one, my HIP(PI) preferences work against me in that respect, though plenty of recital discs left to piece toghether. If one one Ewald Kooiman sets would re-appear I would definitely get it. Nice would-be cycles would be with Jean Charles Ablizer or Leon Berben.

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1461 on: February 28, 2012, 01:03:46 AM »
After three discs I'm settling quite nicely into Foccroulle's integral.  It's not as colorful as Walcha (II), but I don't mind that, and I'm appreciating the loosely chronological approach.  I also tend to appreciate his approach to chorales more than Walcha's.  I'm looking forward to picking up the Vernet integral one of these days, hopefully after I've more thoroughly familiarized myself with my two current sets and picked up a single disc or three....On that note, favorite recordings of the trio sonatas?

By the way, I've noticed some discussion here in the past comparing Alain II and Alain III and the general preference was toward Alain II.  Does anyone care to hash out what makes Alain II more enjoyable?  Thanks in advance.
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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1462 on: February 28, 2012, 11:14:01 AM »
Do post about what you think about the way Focrouille plays the canonic variations  BWV 769. It's a piece of music that I'm playing a lot right now and Focrouille's has kind of gotten under my skin -- I find what he does somehow hypnotic, even though my initial reaction was not positive.  At first I was a bit disturbed by the relative lack of colour contrasts, compared with Leonhardt or Walcha in the same music. But now I see that as a strength.

For what it's worth the other bit of Focrouille's set which has been giving me enormous pleasure are the first few preludes of CU3 -- bwv 669-671. Of all the performances I've heard of those preludes, I like Focrouille's the most at the moment, partly because it seems the least sombre, least heavy.
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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1463 on: March 02, 2012, 05:09:41 PM »
By the way, I've noticed some discussion here in the past comparing Alain II and Alain III and the general preference was toward Alain II.  Does anyone care to hash out what makes Alain II more enjoyable?  Thanks in advance.

I have most of Alain II in singles and my Alain III is still in cellophane.  At any rate, I will be just as interested to hear about the comparison ...

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1464 on: March 04, 2012, 12:31:30 AM »
I’ve been listening to Rusbam’s Naxos recording of BWV 767, which is a set of 8 variations on the  tune of a hymn by Martin Luther called  O Gott, du frommer Gott.  I love the performance.

The poem has 8 verses which are a sequence of requests to God to provide: health; action-orientation and dutifulness; good communication skills; courage; peace and  friends and no ill-gotten gains; a happy old age; a good death;  transformation after physical resurrection.

Obviously I found it irresistible to try to associate each variation to each verse in the poem. And that proved to be a very enlightening thing to do in the case of Rusbam’s Naxos performance, especially in the second half of the piece.

In my opinion, Rusbam’s performance in Vars 6-8 is the most wonderful representation in music of the meaning of the final three verses of the poem: endurance in  old age, the challenge of death  and the transformative effects of God’s voice

If in this world I have to
live my life longer,
through many a bitter step
press on to old age,
then give me patience. From sin
and shame protect me,
so that I may bear
with honour my grey hair.

At my end let me
depart relying on Christ's death,
take my soul to you
to your joys in heaven,
bestow a little space on my body,
a grave by my parents,
so that it may have peace
by their side.

On that day
when you will awaken the dead,
then stretch out your hand
to my grave,
let me hear your voice,
and awaken my body
and lead it beautiful and transformed
to the multitude of your chosen people!


I listened to a few others of course – Leonhardt and Foccroulle. I really enjoyed them all  – especially the intimate recording by Foccroulle.  But it was when I heard the way Rubsam plays the 6th variation that I really sat up and listened.
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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1465 on: March 08, 2012, 01:17:22 PM »
I've lived with the Werner Jacob and James Kibbie cycles of Bach's organ music for a while now, and I've enjoyed dipping into both from time to time. But the recent “blind listening” exercise organized by Discobole confirmed my suspicions that there were recordings of this repertoire out there that speak to me more compellingly than Jacob and Kibbie often do. So I picked up several volumes of the Fagius integral essentially for free (an even trade for a cache of pop music I no longer wanted). And then after scouring this thread for recommendations and listening to lots of previews, I just bought the following…

J.S. Bach: Organ Works
Kåre Nordstoga

J.S. Bach: Toccata & Fuga
Kåre Nordstoga

J.S. Bach: Six Trio Sonatas, Bwv 525-530
Kåre Nordstoga

J.S. Bach: Clavierübung III
Kåre Nordstoga

Bach: Clavierubung III
Ulrik Spang-Hanssen

J.S. Bach: Orgelbüchlein BWV 599-644
René Saorgin

The Bach Organ of Stormthal
William Porter

One of a Kind
William Porter

J.S. Bach: Masterpieces on North German Baroque Organs
Jean-Charles Ablitzer
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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1466 on: March 08, 2012, 11:59:40 PM »
Paul, looks like an interesting list!
If times arrive, plz tell us what you think of them.

I myself remember Saorgin's Orgelbüchlein as quite a satisfying one, but it's been a long time since I've last listened to it.
Ablitzer is good, too, though I experienced him not as impressive as I hoped he would be.
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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1467 on: March 10, 2012, 07:11:41 AM »
A bit of Late-night Bach this evening:

Klavierübung III with Pieter Van Dijk in the Oslo "Domkirke"

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1468 on: March 10, 2012, 08:43:15 AM »
A bit of Late-night Bach this evening:

Klavierübung III with Pieter Van Dijk in the Oslo "Domkirke"

Yes I played the whole thing through a couple of nights ago, except the opening prelude, in Focroulle's record. Very very very good. Intense, intimate, not too much  swagger.
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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1469 on: March 10, 2012, 08:55:17 AM »
Yes I played the whole thing through a couple of nights ago, except the opening prelude, in Focroulle's record. Very very very good. Intense, intimate, not too much  swagger.

Ah, yes, but mine will be live. :-)

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1470 on: March 10, 2012, 09:03:39 AM »
 :P
Ah, yes, but mine will be live. :-)

Jealous. I've not been to an organ recital since I was at school.
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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1471 on: March 11, 2012, 06:13:29 AM »
The poem has 8 verses which are a sequence of requests to God to provide: health; action-orientation and dutifulness; good communication skills; courage; peace and  friends and no ill-gotten gains; a happy old age; a good death;  transformation after physical resurrection.

Obviously I found it irresistible to try to associate each variation to each verse in the poem

This is certainly a very valid and enriching way to interprete some of the variations.

In other cases pure compositional principles seem to decide the character of the variation, compare f.i. the similarity in texture between:

BWV 767 var.  I (called partita 2)       and     BWV 768 var. I,
BWV 767 var. III (called partita 4)      and    BWV 768 var.  3,
BVW 767 var. V  (called partita 6)      and    BWV  768 var. 5.

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1472 on: March 11, 2012, 06:21:00 AM »
I've lived with the Werner Jacob and James Kibbie cycles of Bach's organ music for a while now, and I've enjoyed dipping into both from time to time. But the recent “blind listening” exercise organized by Discobole confirmed my suspicions that there were recordings of this repertoire out there that speak to me more compellingly than Jacob and Kibbie often do. So I picked up several volumes of the Fagius integral essentially for free (an even trade for a cache of pop music I no longer wanted). And then after scouring this thread for recommendations and listening to lots of previews, I just bought the following…

J.S. Bach: Organ Works
Kåre Nordstoga

J.S. Bach: Toccata & Fuga
Kåre Nordstoga

J.S. Bach: Six Trio Sonatas, Bwv 525-530
Kåre Nordstoga

J.S. Bach: Clavierübung III
Kåre Nordstoga

Bach: Clavierubung III
Ulrik Spang-Hanssen

J.S. Bach: Orgelbüchlein BWV 599-644
René Saorgin

The Bach Organ of Stormthal
William Porter

One of a Kind
William Porter

J.S. Bach: Masterpieces on North German Baroque Organs
Jean-Charles Ablitzer

Do not know Porter´s Bach, but the others seem to be fine choices.

Saorgin´s Orgelbüchlein is very colourful (he calls himself a colourist in the booklet) and Nordstoga´s Toccatas and Clavierübung III are most impressive. Unfortunately his other recordings were OOP when I became aware of them, and MP3 isn´t me, least of all when it is about organ music. Like Marc I can say that Ablitzer is good. But I am not equally impressed by his Bach as by his Buxtehude.

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1473 on: March 11, 2012, 06:31:47 AM »
:P
Jealous. I've not been to an organ recital since I was at school.

It was, in fact, bloody amazing! One of the best experiences in a long time, and well worth having the girlfriend be upset for not spending Saturday with her.  ;)

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1474 on: March 11, 2012, 07:50:57 AM »
I've never been to an organ recital. Honestly, I've had trouble getting into organ music. Tonight, I am enjoying a mix of Bach organ music I've downloaded (Herrick, Walcha, Koopman, Roggs, Biggs).

So here in Japan, Lorenzo Ghielmi will be giving a recital this week.
Here is the program:
JS Bach: BWV 539 Prelude and Fugue in D minor                 
      BWV 527 Trio Sonata No. 3 in D minor            
      Concerto in D minor BW V596                    
      BWV 645 - 650
                  BWV 543 Prelude and Fugue
So what do you think? Would I be a fool to miss it? 

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1475 on: March 11, 2012, 07:56:34 AM »
I've never been to an organ recital. Honestly, I've had trouble getting into organ music. Tonight, I am enjoying a mix of Bach organ music I've downloaded (Herrick, Walcha, Koopman, Roggs, Biggs).

So here in Japan,...

I thought you were from usa.

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Lorenzo Ghielmi will be giving a recital this week.

Here is the program:
JS Bach: BWV 539 Prelude and Fugue in D minor                 
      BWV 527 Trio Sonata No. 3 in D minor            
      Concerto in D minor BW V596                    
      BWV 645 - 650
                  BWV 543 Prelude and Fugue
So what do you think? Would I be a fool to miss it? 

I wouldn't miss it had I the opportunity. :(

Oh, and I have been to 1 organ recital so far. :)
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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1476 on: March 11, 2012, 08:09:22 AM »
I thought you were from usa.

I wouldn't miss it had I the opportunity. :(

Oh, and I have been to 1 organ recital so far. :)
Yes, I'm an American expatriate. Well, I think I will go. I don't know how Ghielmi ranks on organ with you folks here. I guess I wouldn't know
the difference anyway! I'm a big fan of his non-organ output. Hmm...I guess with an organ recital it doesn't matter where you sit?
Again, not that I would know the difference, but the website says the following about the organ:
"...a pipe organ produced by Koenig Company (France) whose merit is a bright, soft sound..."

 

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1477 on: March 11, 2012, 08:19:23 AM »
Yes, I'm an American expatriate. Well, I think I will go. I don't know how Ghielmi ranks on organ with you folks here. I guess I wouldn't know
the difference anyway! I'm a big fan of his non-organ output. Hmm...I guess with an organ recital it doesn't matter where you sit?
Again, not that I would know the difference, but the website says the following about the organ:
"...a pipe organ produced by Koenig Company (France) whose merit is a bright, soft sound..."

 

Well, the curiosity factor will be enough of a draw for me, as I too haven't heard him play the organ.
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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1478 on: March 11, 2012, 08:20:07 AM »
When I was at school I was friends with an organ scholar. I'd go up into the loft and watch him play -- I used to be intrigued by the sheer amount of machinery -- stops with strange names and pedals and several keyboards. I remember a label next to one knob which said "Vox angelica" , and one which said "Vox Humana". Even now the meomory of ir revives a feeling of childish wonder.

One problem I have with going to an organ recital in London is that as far as I know the only way to know what's happening is through this website:

http://www.londonorgan.co.uk/

But as far as I can work out there's no way to find out what they're going to be playing!! I want to hear baroque or earlier or 20th century or Mozart. I don't want to get all excited by my first organ concert and find out when it's  too late that it's Max Reger and Herbert Howells and Hubert Parry on the menu. Help, someone!

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Re: J.S. Bach's Organ Works
« Reply #1479 on: March 11, 2012, 09:16:33 AM »
Like Marc I can say that Ablitzer is good. But I am not equally impressed by his Bach as by his Buxtehude.

I think you might be right there....and that means also that his Buxtehude is amazingly varied, articulated, refined and exciting IMO. But I guess that's for another thread. 8)

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