Author Topic: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)  (Read 41223 times)

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2008, 06:12:15 PM »
It might help if you skip to Why Patterns? every so often if you want to branch out a little bit.

Thank you so much for the guidance and I'll remember it next time I order CDs. For now though, I have enough to chew on with my five CDs of Feldman music, Why Patterns not among them - yet!  :)

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2008, 06:15:16 PM »
Thank you so much for the guidance and I'll remember it next time I order CDs. For now though, I have enough to chew on with my five CDs of Feldman music, Why Patterns not among them - yet!  :)

Well, I assumed you had the recording in which Rothko Chapel is coupled with Why Patterns?.  My mistake.
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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2008, 06:28:11 PM »
No, sorry. The Rothko Chapel I have is coupled with Piano and Orchestra, Durations II and the Rothko is by Klangform Wien.

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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2008, 03:19:53 AM »
. . . my five CDs of Feldman music, Why Patterns not among them - yet!  :)

Why not Why Patterns? . . ?  ;)

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2008, 06:11:43 AM »
Because neither you, Karl, nor Catison, has recommended it to me! You gotta tell me about those things, that's why I am hanging around a classical music forum!  ;D

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2008, 08:00:57 AM »
Anyone heard the new ECM recording of the complete The Viola in my Life series? I only know the first two pieces in the series from the fine ensemble recherché recording on Montaigne (my introduction to this composer and a singularly fine one too).
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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2008, 10:25:46 AM »
Anyone heard the new ECM recording of the complete The Viola in my Life series? I only know the first two pieces in the series from the fine ensemble recherché recording on Montaigne (my introduction to this composer and a singularly fine one too).

Haven't heard it, but glad to know about it!  And I'd be interested in comments from others, as well.

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2008, 10:31:30 AM »
You will all be in the know on the reference in my forthcoming score, The Viola in My Hibachi  8)

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2008, 09:52:53 AM »
Depends on what you mean by "wrong."

However, there is little enough interest in Feldman on this board, generally, that having multiple threads is like no conversation at all, but this individual inhabiting one thread, that individual inhabiting another.

And, as if to illustrate the point, the "furation" thread is sinking like a stone already, after a Feldmanian 'blip' of interest . . . .

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2008, 11:59:22 AM »
I think one problem when talking about Feldman is that it's often tough to put my finger on why I like his music far more than other superficially similar composers.

Yes, one can say "more harmonically, rhythmically and colouristically interesting" and "prone to more subtle surprises and changes than similar composers" but that doesn't really say anything deep about his work.
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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2008, 12:35:40 PM »
With Feldman, yet more than others, it's hard to pin down why it works, where the same components don't necessarily, in the hands of another.

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2008, 12:39:19 PM »
With Feldman, yet more than others, it's hard to pin down why it works, where the same components don't necessarily, in the hands of another.

I'll agree with that--one of the mysteries of his writing.  What should be totally banal, somehow transcends that. 

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2009, 08:18:34 AM »
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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2009, 08:25:12 AM »
Thanks, Brett!  Man, can't do much better than 89 cents...

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2009, 03:05:45 PM »
I'll agree with that--one of the mysteries of his writing.  What should be totally banal, somehow transcends that. 

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2009, 03:30:21 PM »
To be frank, though, I'm not exactly sure who those others who use the same components are... (we're probably thinking about different things, though)

The only composer I can think of who is remotely similar to Feldman is Tomasz Sikorski and in his case it all works as well (at least on me) - but, I repeat, it's only a remote similarity (in fact, it might only be that they both wrote quiet music ;D; Sikorski's pieces are not nearly as drawn out and their pace might be briskier).

BTW, I could merge the "furation thread" into this one, just to tidy things up. Any objections?

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2009, 03:38:48 PM »
BTW, I could merge the "furation thread" into this one, just to tidy things up. Any objections?

Hey, run wild!  ;D  And thanks for the mention of Sikorski--another composer new to me. 

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2009, 01:54:52 AM »
my favorites
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string quartet I (1979)
crippled symetry (1983)
piano and string quartet (1985)
coptic light (1985)
vioiln and string quartet (1985)
palais de mari (1986)
....

i didn't find anywhere feldman's last work:
pianoi, violini, viola, cello (1987)


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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2009, 05:12:00 AM »
Mmm . . . reminds me to cue Coptic Light back up . . . .

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Re: Morton Feldman (1926-1987)
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2009, 12:39:14 AM »
Piano and String Quartet is about the creepiest perfect heroin music ever. Basquiat. I find so much "of course" perfection into its arpeggio-chord structure. Of course you're allowed to nod off!!! :D

CPO's 4 ctos. were the bargain of the ages when it came out (remember that disc of Boulez, Lachenmann, and Scelsi?). The flute heralds Feldman's late style, the piano is amazingly flat, and the cello is very dramatic. For me, this is the perfect Feldman length.

Already I'm getting the feeling I've written this all on another thread.

But for Feldman's music to sound the way it does when every picture of him contains a cigarette I find spiritually creepy, like he is channelling death.
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