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Offline Sergeant Rock

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3920 on: November 09, 2017, 02:50:39 PM »
Boulez, Meh. Nobody mentioned my favorite:



That's mine too, but like I said, I wouldn't recommend it for a first experience.

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3921 on: November 09, 2017, 02:51:59 PM »
That's mine too, but like I said, I wouldn't recommend it for a first experience.

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It was my first experience, didn't do me any harm.  :)

(I got mine before they invented the double jewel case, so it came in two separate jewel cases.)

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3922 on: November 09, 2017, 02:57:46 PM »
It was my first experience, didn't do me any harm.  :)

That's debatable  ;D

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3923 on: November 09, 2017, 03:04:25 PM »

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3924 on: November 09, 2017, 05:34:44 PM »
That's mine too, but like I said, I wouldn't recommend it for a first experience.

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3925 on: November 09, 2017, 05:37:13 PM »
One thing I find extremely interesting, the consensus seems to be a Mahler 2 virgin should get a different version than a Mahlerian.  I am very curious for more details about this.  I consider myself an expert (I have performed it and own 11 recordings and it was the first professional concert I ever attended) but find no single recording to fulfill my imagination of the work.  Though I have heard it a bazillian times, I must confess still tearing up at hearing it this morning.  Though the performances I heard left me lacking. What a fantastic work.
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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3926 on: November 09, 2017, 06:18:02 PM »
Of forty plus recordings I have there are three I dislike: Norrington, Abbado/VPO, and Abbado/Lucerne. My top favorites are Bernstein/DG, MTT/SFO, and Abbado/CSO. For a newbie, I would suggest Mehta/VPO, Kaplan/VPO or even better, a DVD--Chailly/Gewandhaus.

But other than those three I specified above, there is not an M2 I would not gladly listen to, and that does not give me an emotional uprush when the chorus kicks in.

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3927 on: November 09, 2017, 06:45:00 PM »
This is the recording that started my Mahler addiction:



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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3928 on: November 09, 2017, 07:09:28 PM »
One thing I find extremely interesting, the consensus seems to be a Mahler 2 virgin should get a different version than a Mahlerian.

I think the idea is to avoid causing someone to imprint on an idiosyncratic or controversial version. For example, my first version of Beethoven 4 was Leinsdorf, which is mostly fine, but he changes the rhythm at the first Allegro vivace, and it took me a long time to accept the correct rhythm. I havenít heard Maazelís Mahler 2 but I suspect he takes some part of it unusually slowly, or made some other love-it-or-hate-it interpretive decision.

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3929 on: November 09, 2017, 08:04:32 PM »
True. Listening to the 6th symphony in Barbirolliís version would have that same effect on a newcomer.

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3930 on: November 09, 2017, 09:16:44 PM »
One thing I find extremely interesting, the consensus seems to be a Mahler 2 virgin should get a different version than a Mahlerian.  I am very curious for more details about this.  I consider myself an expert (I have performed it and own 11 recordings and it was the first professional concert I ever attended) but find no single recording to fulfill my imagination of the work.  Though I have heard it a bazillian times, I must confess still tearing up at hearing it this morning.  Though the performances I heard left me lacking. What a fantastic work.

I'm not so sure I agree, but the rational may be that a newbie would benefit from a mainstream performance but someone that already has several recordings of the work would gain more by getting an oddball recording.

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3931 on: November 10, 2017, 02:05:16 AM »
One thing I find extremely interesting, the consensus seems to be a Mahler 2 virgin should get a different version than a Mahlerian.  I am very curious for more details about this.  I consider myself an expert (I have performed it and own 11 recordings and it was the first professional concert I ever attended) but find no single recording to fulfill my imagination of the work.  Though I have heard it a bazillian times, I must confess still tearing up at hearing it this morning.  Though the performances I heard left me lacking. What a fantastic work.

Maybe there's something to it: That someone who knows the work well can appreciate deviation from it better... or at least knows not to be mislead by it.
Sometimes I think an interpretation is very suitable for a beginner, because it allows a particular insight that helps. If you had asked about M3 and I had answered with Boulez again, that would have been such a case... because in the Third Boulez lives up to the stereotype and delivers a see-through account; accurate and transparent like few others. But usually Boulez's Mahler is quite passionate and searing, actually. (Only his 8th is a dead-on-arrival-dud.) Point being that, in this case, I should like to point out that my recommendations were straight up; I think these are among the very best recordings of the work for veteran and newbie alike.


Meanwhile I agree w/Jeffrey's dislike for Abbado/Vienna, though not Abbado/Lucerne; Maazel is one of the few cycles I don't have; I dislike the Solti (most of Solti's Mahler, actually, except his Sixth, which Sarge thankfully converted me to!

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3932 on: November 10, 2017, 03:02:37 AM »
I think the idea is to avoid causing someone to imprint on an idiosyncratic or controversial version.
Sure, but this seems in no way special about Mahler or a particular symphony of his.
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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3933 on: November 10, 2017, 08:18:53 AM »
What is your favorite recording of Mahler's No. 2?  Basically if you were going to introduce someone to this work which recording would you demonstrate the work with?

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3934 on: November 10, 2017, 08:47:03 AM »
Sure, but this seems in no way special about Mahler or a particular symphony of his.

It isnít.

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3935 on: November 10, 2017, 09:34:18 AM »
... There was a blind listening a few years ago that never got completed, and so I have a 1st movement that I know I really enjoyed but no idea who the conductor and orchestra were.

Me too!  It was P3 in my case.  I still listen to it and prefer it to any other I've heard so far, with the exception of Bernstein/DG (which is similar, but even more over-wrought).  I never listen past the 1st movement anyway, it stands alone very well IMHO.

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Re: Mahler Mania, Rebooted
« Reply #3936 on: November 12, 2017, 04:23:51 AM »
Kubelik

Amen!  0:)

I came across this rarity on YouTube: Arnold Schoenberg conducts the second movement of Mahler's Second for a radio broadcast in 1934 from New York:

Dreadful quality, but if you can blank out the noise there would seem to be a Viennese Schlagobers sound to some of the playing  ???  8)  :

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/F9KGqRoKGiY&amp;feature=player_embedded" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/F9KGqRoKGiY&amp;feature=player_embedded</a>

Dig the picture of Arnold Baby with half of a smirking smile! 0:)
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