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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2007, 09:54:20 AM »
Back to the subject of this thread: saw a raving review of this on Classicstoday.
Anyone knows this recording or this opera?



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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2007, 10:46:02 AM »
And classicstoday gave it a 10/10.

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2007, 03:41:00 AM »
Anyone knows this recording or this opera?




All I know is I want it.  :P
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2007, 10:39:49 PM »
All I know is I want it.  :P
Good answer! Me, too.

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2007, 12:29:43 AM »
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LULLY:    Atys, opera   / Les Arts Florissants, Christie  (Harmonia Mundi)

This is perhaps Lully's best opera. The Prologue is splendid with the colors of the instruments, the rhythm. The first two acts, however, are heavy with the kind of rhetoric declamation that Lully introduced in French vocal music.

But the opera has extraordinary moments: the scene of the Sleep, in the 3rd act, is a model followed by many composers (Rameau, Purcell), and the great tragedy of the 5th act, with Atys murdering Sangaride and then killing himself. In this scenes Lully is at the level of Monteverdi.

The interpreters are just acceptable, except the very touching Agnes Mellon in Sangaride and Bernard Deletré, irresistible comedian in the role of the God of the River.

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2008, 06:56:16 AM »
From January 21st on, Lully's "Cadmus et Hermione" will be staged at the Opéra Comique  in Paris. Vincent Dumestre and Le Poème Harmonique ( Claire Lefilliatre etc) perform, Benjamin Lazar ( 30) is the director. In this month's "Diapason" he talks enthusiastically about this premiere : Lully's first "tragédie lyrique"!
He calls it a "hybrid" work that combines comedy & tragedy,the profane &and the  sacred .
It will be a grand spectacle ,with a special role for "real" theater machines. No high tech tricks, but handmade contraptions.

Lazar and his troupe studied Bacilly's "l'Art de bien chanter" (1668) and "Réflexions critiques" de l'Abbé Du Bos ( early 18th cent;). As for the way singer/actors should move ,he consulted "Sept traités sur le jeu du comedien" ( edit. honoré Champion). Georges Forestier's preface to Racine's "Oeuvres complètes" gave valuable insight into declamation and prosody.

The spectacle was meticulously prepared at Royaumont, so that the actor-singers had time to assimilate ( "incarner") this way of performing.
Lazar impressed the French public with equally well prepared stagings of Le bourgeois gentilhomme and Landi's Sant'Alessio.
"The audience was surprised by this unexpected and singular result : it was "evident". They may have expected a forced, mannered style, but what they saw was fluent, natural."

And further : "I refuse the comfort of modernisation. I love this type of poetry and expression.There is no need to extract ( such a work) from its time. Its aura is eternal."

I hope that "Cadmus et Hermione" will be broadcast on France Musique. !
After Paris, the spectacle moves to Rouen (February).



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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2008, 07:12:08 AM »

I hope that "Cadmus et Hermione" will be broadcast on France Musique.


I hope it will be recorded or filmed!

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2008, 07:48:00 AM »
I hope it will be recorded or filmed!

But of course!

Here's more from the Royaumont site :http://www.royaumont.com

I visited the Abbey last year. A magical place! Take the virtual tour ..or go there ,sooner or later.

Lully/Quinault : Cadmus et Hermione

 
 
An operatic training and performance workshop
Production project from Théâtre National de l’Opéra-Comique, in coproduction with le Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles and Royaumont Foundation.



Presentation
The Opera Comique, The Versailles Baroque Music Centre and Royaumont Foundation have joined

Poème Harmonique for an ambitious project based on Cadmus et Hermione. After the success enjoyed by the comedy-ballet Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme rehearsed and produced at Royaumont with a team of young singers, dancers and actors, Vincent Dumestre and Benjamin Lazar, this time in association with Gudrun Skamletz, are seeking to embark on an exploration of first lyric tragedy ; in 1673, Lully, a great admirer of Racine, created a new genre unique in Europe, with the poet Quinault. In Cadmus et Hermione, the music is not simply incidental, but carries the action entirely, creating with theatre and dance together in a single dramatic unity. This revolutionary work, and a veritable source for French Opera, combines the constitutive elements in a balanced way that guaranteed its success:

- the French recitatif, a form of sung declamation, which drives the action;

- the choir, whose essential role in the dramatics is akin to that of the antique chorus;

- the use of dance, inherited from court ballet, as a rhetorical and dramatic element;

- the alternation of glory and love themes with comic type scenes inherited from comedy-ballet;

- fantasy, that allows the appearance of gods and monsters, and encourages the more spectacular aspects provided by theatre machinery.Training and experimental work at Royaumont will make it possible to constitute a troop of singers, dancers and musicians, and who take all the time needed to explore the ways in which declamatory and other song, gestures and dance may be performed in this lyric tragedy, based on the historical investigative approach to the 17th century being carried out by Le Poème Harmonique with help from the Versailles Baroque Music Centre (Grandes journées Lully, Autumn 2008). The fruits of this multidisciplinary project will be shown to the public at the Opera Comique in Paris in February 2008, followed by performances at Versailles Royal Opera a tour in Autumn 2008.





Teachers
Vincent Dumestre, artistic director

Benjamin Lazar, stage director

Gudrun Skamletz, chorégraph

Le Poème Harmonique

Thomas Leconte, Jean Duron, musicologists (Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles)

Program
Vincent Dumestre, Benjamin Lazar and Gudrun Skamletz would like the work at Royaumont to provide an opportunity for research and reflection concerning 17th century language, its refined and subtle aspects, its colours and sounds, the way it is declaimed and sung, and its gestures, as well as its choreographic rhetoric along with the marvellous, monstrous and comic vocabularies. The experience gained from Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme (organic links between theatre, music and dance, reconstructed pronunciation, candle-lit staging and so on) will make it possible to take that research further.

 

Dates of training

- from 2 to 6 June 2007 (soloist singers only),

- from 20 to 29 July 2007 (tutti),

- from 30 November to 9 December 2007 (tutti).
 

 
 11 soloist singers
 15 chorus and coryphei singers 
 8 dancers.

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2008, 08:46:55 AM »
I'm enjoying this at present:



Colorful music, fine recording, very Lully in style.
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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2008, 08:48:55 PM »
Does anyone like it? I've tried a few time now to get into it, but it just seems like 3 hours of slow whining(without the fun side effects). Can someone pick out a few special arias for me to listen to?

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2008, 12:51:50 AM »
Maybe you can try the instrumental pieces or arrangements from this repertory instead first.  "Concert suites" from Lully, Rameau, Marais etc. sound good.  Or if you insist on vocal recordings, I can think at least one now that would suit your need.  Veronique Gens has a voice that would please most listeners, and the accompaniment from Rousset can't be beat.


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« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2008, 10:58:52 AM »
Maybe you can try the instrumental pieces or arrangements from this repertory instead first.  "Concert suites" from Lully, Rameau, Marais etc. sound good.  Or if you insist on vocal recordings, I can think at least one now that would suit your need.  Veronique Gens has a voice that would please most listeners, and the accompaniment from Rousset can't be beat.




Haha, this cd is the whole reason I wan't to start listening to french baroque opera. I love her! Really I do! Her Handel cantatas are amazing, and her Mozart cd makes me start daydreaming. She is also in Minkowski's recording of Dardanus, but I have trouble getting anything out of it. Slow long arias, that don't seem to stand out 1 from the other.

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2008, 11:41:20 AM »
You may need another chanteuse then
This one likes it fast

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2008, 12:22:32 PM »
Cute girl, but I can't say I love her voice or technique like I do Gens. I've only heard her in Italian so I'll try to find this cd :)

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2008, 01:36:31 PM »
Well, I did like the Gluck arias...


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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2009, 03:26:03 AM »
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Terrific DVD of Rameau's Les Indes Galantes with Danielle de Niese, Paul Agnew, Patricia Petibon and many others. William Christie conducts.
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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2009, 06:50:03 AM »


Terrific DVD of Rameau's Les Indes Galantes with Danielle de Niese, Paul Agnew, Patricia Petibon and many others. William Christie conducts.

Yes, TERRIFIC! This awesome DVD is responsible for the large part for making my father warm up to classical music.
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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2009, 01:20:52 PM »
Gosh, this is a long thread, and this is my first post in it - I thought I should attempt to see all of it before I spoke, but life is short and art is long, and I had to do a bit of skipping... but as far as I can see (forgive me if I missed it), no one has yet talked about this DVD (though there has been mention made of the live performances):



Right. Now, trust me.
Stop whatever you're doing now, and order one.
You can get one here for instance:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hermione-trag%C3%A9die-Quinault-Harmonique-Dumestre/dp/B001EVPBY4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1239829258&sr=1-1.

There are no special features on the disc, no bargain deals to be had. You just pay your money and get the best opera on DVD I've ever seen. Better even than Christie's Les Indes Galantes. Well, OK you can't really compare them. But that's the territory we're talking about.

It is stunning. The production is lit with hundreds of tiny living flames, to get the authentic lighting of the period. Not a gimmick, I promise - the character of the lighting throughout is exquisite and a major contributor to the beauty of the production - so delicate and soft. The sets are magic. Sheer magic. The costumes... oh, breathtaking.

And then there are the gestures - the carefully rehearsed and executed movements that ought to seem formulaic but which are fantastically expressive. I have never seen hands used to such effect. The way in which Cadmus and Hermione's hands get closer and closer as the opera progresses, but not touching until they're finally united is itself something to be treasured. Andre Morsche, as Cadmus, has a presence the like of which I don't believe I've seen. I can't take my eyes of him whenever he's on stage.

And then there's the music. Haunting, magisterial, - a revelation. The closing scenes, with the whole cast on stage, singing together the same passage over and over with variations, is very, very moving.

Watching this is as close as you're going to get, ever, to seeing what the Sun King saw. If it was good enough for him, it's good enough for me. Stupendous. Infinitely re-watchable and relistenable. It might make you cry in places - not so much because of events in the plot, but just because of the sheer privilege of being able to sit at home and watch such an unsurpassable work of theatrical/operatic art. You need a copy of this.
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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2009, 11:22:00 PM »
Gosh, this is a long thread, and this is my first post in it - I thought I should attempt to see all of it before I spoke, but life is short and art is long, and I had to do a bit of skipping... but as far as I can see (forgive me if I missed it), no one has yet talked about this DVD (though there has been mention made of the live performances):



Right. Now, trust me.
Stop whatever you're doing now, and order one.


Dumestre here repeats the success he had with the Moliere/Lully Le Bourgois gentilhomme a few years ago, following pretty much the same recipes stylistically.   There is a special feature on that one though, and very good, too.



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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2009, 12:29:01 AM »
the Moliere/Lully Le Bourgois gentilhomme a few years ago, following pretty much the same recipes stylistically.

I've given serious thought to buying that, but when I checked out a few snippets from You tube there seemed to be a good deal of merely spoken dialogue, rather than music. Is it so?

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