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« Reply #240 on: October 03, 2017, 10:41:59 AM »
Pancrace Royer, Pyrrhus



Pancrace Royer is mostly known as an extravagant harpsichordist, who left us some keyboard pieces full of invention.  After spending number of years, accompanying rehearsals at the lyric opera he eventually became the director of the royal academy theater.  This exposure to lyric works led to this composition which had a limited success during his lifetime.  It is a pleasant listening, but lacks surprises.  It is a long series of recitatives with occasional instrumental breaks.  There are also a couple of short choral ensembles.  Campra is closest to his composition style.
Some of the singers do not put their accentuation on the tonic or dominant which sounds strange to my ears.

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« Reply #241 on: November 16, 2017, 03:53:59 AM »
Sorry if I'm late breaking the news, but these ought to be mentioned here I think:




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« Reply #242 on: November 16, 2017, 10:01:25 AM »
Sorry if I'm late breaking the news, but these ought to be mentioned here I think:




The Marais is a reissue, without the libretto, I suspect - but it's a terrific recording.

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« Reply #243 on: November 17, 2017, 01:07:13 AM »
The Marais is a reissue, without the libretto, I suspect - but it's a terrific recording.

Thanks, wasn't aware ... but as I don't have the original release ...
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« Reply #244 on: November 25, 2017, 12:26:43 AM »
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« Reply #245 on: December 03, 2017, 12:12:27 PM »
Giving an other spin for Isbé which will almost certainly be on my bestof list for 2017



The music, from the orchestration to the clever interweaving of recitative airs and choruses make this a lovely baroque opera.  And the realisation by these Budapest orchestra & chorus is exemplary.   I love this 3 CD set.

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« Reply #246 on: December 03, 2017, 02:39:15 PM »
The Marais is a reissue, without the libretto, I suspect - but it's a terrific recording.
It has the libretto.

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« Reply #247 on: December 28, 2017, 03:39:44 PM »
Went through these in the past days, all first and so far single listens:



All of them very, very nice, I found. I have to confess though that the instrumental part of the third ("Les Fętes de Polymnie", not announced on the front cover) is not something I love these days - I just don't seem to have access to French instrumental music of that period, other than solo music (both for viola da gamba and harpsichord), but that's not Rousset and his forces fault. I love their playing in the operas as well as in the shorter "Pygmalion". And the singers and all ... this is just glorious music and I'm happy I'm finding a way in. I've heard some bits so far, including Charpentier's "Médée" as performed last season at Zurich opera - but it still feels new and unfamiliar to me.

Related, not opera, but maybe of interest to the crowd here - Marie-Claude Chappuis who is part of the cast of two of the above sets, has this new disc out on DHM, duets with Luca Pianca on lute, and gorgeous stuff, too (I guess it's quite a bit better than Pianca's disc on alpha with Roberta Mameli - that one is a bit on the cool side, both in singing as well as production, while Chappuis on DHM is cozy and warm):



Also gave a first spin to this one:



And again, both singing and playing are pretty outstanding, I found ... but it will likely not become a favourite opera, it's just a weird piece. The other 2017 Händel on Glossa, "Catone", is one more weird thing that is very interesting though, as it offers insights into how in those days opera often worked (it's basically a compilation of other composer's arias - many of which the cast of "Catone" had sung - into a new piece). Again, the singing is wonderful there,



Oh, and as this turns into kind of a round-up: did we mention this one, "La liberazione di Ruggiero dall'Isola di Alcina" by Francesca Caccini? Now we're talking, at Glossa's, too!

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #248 on: December 29, 2017, 07:08:57 AM »
Giving an other spin for Isbé which will almost certainly be on my bestof list for 2017



The music, from the orchestration to the clever interweaving of recitative airs and choruses make this a lovely baroque opera.  And the realisation by these Budapest orchestra & chorus is exemplary.   I love this 3 CD set.

Pre-ordered this over a year back ... but just finally gave it a first spin - and I agree, it's gorgeous! Too long for regular consumption (I don't like splitting up operas, but I may have to get used to that, I see several others here going one act per day or similar), but I'll try and revisit sooner, rather than later!
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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #249 on: December 29, 2017, 10:49:04 AM »
Pre-ordered this over a year back ... but just finally gave it a first spin - and I agree, it's gorgeous! Too long for regular consumption (I don't like splitting up operas, but I may have to get used to that, I see several others here going one act per day or similar), but I'll try and revisit sooner, rather than later!
If you are short of time, just stick to act 5 which has the most musical beauties.  And of course I just cannot get out of my head the final 4 1/2 min duo between Isbe and Corridon supported by the corus Je n'aimerai que toi.  This little jewel closes the opera in the utmost quietness.  So unusual and so wonderful..
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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #250 on: December 29, 2017, 02:46:04 PM »
If you are short of time, just stick to act 5 which has the most musical beauties.  And of course I just cannot get out of my head the final 4 1/2 min duo between Isbe and Corridon supported by the corus Je n'aimerai que toi.  This little jewel closes the opera in the utmost quietness.  So unusual and so wonderful..

That quiet ending is indeed wonderful, yes!
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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #251 on: December 30, 2017, 02:08:59 AM »
Having another go at this opera:


And what an amazing opera it is..... :)

Like most Baroque operas pretty long, lasting almost 3 hours.
I know the problem described above and usually listen 1 or 2 acts in one stretch.
But I wasn't bored. Though the plot is pretty standard fare for a Baroque opera: a war between two empires, a love story with two additional love triangles...
Yet it's a very versatile piece, with different musical moods reflecting the themes of pride, war, triumph and defeat, lofty Arcadian scenes, love and deceat, and even satire, provided by a jester-like figure. I found the music really modern and innovative for early 18th c.

Some impressive singing by Roman Trekel, Dorothea Röschmann, Werner Güra et al.
But of course the real hero is René Jacobs, resurrecting this opera.

Found this a real eye opener on German Baroque opera.
A masterpiece by a composer I hardly know....

https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-5202/

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forumopera.com%2Fv1%2Fcritiques%2Fcroesus-keiser.htm&sandbox=1

http://www.classical-music.com/review/keiser-1

Info about the Baroque Opera box set: http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2013/Nov13/Opera_baroque_HMX2908658.htm

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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #252 on: December 30, 2017, 02:41:38 AM »
Two minutes of this is even more than I can bear. Why the H is DiDonato wearing purple paint on her face? Maybe if she stood up, there wouldn't be that cloying vibrato:

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« Reply #253 on: December 30, 2017, 05:46:18 AM »
More like Baroque Parody:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/JeHqNWPSsgM" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/JeHqNWPSsgM</a>

If the singing were a little less strident, one could listen without having to watch.
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« Reply #254 on: December 30, 2017, 09:40:02 AM »
I don't mind the quick vibrato, to be honest. It reminds me a little of Supervia.

Some years ago I saw DiDonato in the Aix-en-Provence production of Hercules at the Barbican in London, and thought her performance absolutely riveting, though I can imagine some might have found it a little too realistic. In context it worked superbly.

https://youtu.be/iOFHISqfwjk
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Re: ~ Baroque Opera ~
« Reply #255 on: December 30, 2017, 10:04:57 PM »
I don't mind the quick vibrato, to be honest. It reminds me a little of Supervia.

Some years ago I saw DiDonato in the Aix-en-Provence production of Hercules at the Barbican in London, and thought her performance absolutely riveting, though I can imagine some might have found it a little too realistic. In context it worked superbly.

https://youtu.be/iOFHISqfwjk

There is less of the vibrato in the clip you posted, perhaps because the aria lies low most of the time. I didn't enjoy Supervia's singing, however. Right now as I type, I am listening rather than watching. Her delivery may have worked onstage but I don't think it would in an audio recording as with other skilled singers such as Joan Sutherland.
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