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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1400 on: January 11, 2018, 03:12:11 PM »
What he's saying, I think, is that he's  following the score
If that's what he is doing, I think it's hard to imagine unintended deviations in alignment would make such good music! Of course he's chosen tempos, articulation etc so that's got a lot to do with why it works so well too I'm sure,

As I have written before, with due respect to Keith Hill I consider his idea to be rather fanciful, because I do not recall, that I ever have seen a hand written score with complete alignment of the parts. And the principle of introducing microdesynchronisations between the parts will in every case work well in Rübsam's hands. He does not need to adhere strictly to any given scheme, and in this case he also said himself, that he does not do it in the same way every time he is playing a piece. So score or not - it is Rübsam himself, who creates this original and fruitful realisation of the score.
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1401 on: January 11, 2018, 06:46:06 PM »
Vartolo is a good place to start investigating, in Frescobaldi Capricci for example, Vartolo's Capricci are a very good thing to hear when Rubsam's latest AoF is fresh in your mind, in my experience, they complement each other nicely somehow.

Which Vartolo are you referring to? The one on tactus?

I just listened to his Goldberg variations, and it is also very much "horizontal" in the manner of Rubsam. Quite interesting. I think Rubsam made a Goldberg on the Lautenwerck that is going to be released soon.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1402 on: January 11, 2018, 07:51:11 PM »
Which Vartolo are you referring to? The one on tactus?

I just listened to his Goldberg variations, and it is also very much "horizontal" in the manner of Rubsam. Quite interesting. I think Rubsam made a Goldberg on the Lautenwerck that is going to be released soon.
Indeed he responded on FB that this is the case - to be released on Naxos.

What he's saying, I think, is that he's  following the score


With Vartolo, he'd be one of the first to see it this way? Whatever the case is, it's a fascinating recording and discussion. Maybe it will take the Naxos release to get more publications musing about it.

I'm going to listen to more Vartolo today.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1403 on: January 11, 2018, 09:42:43 PM »
Actually I just looked at some of the manuscript of WTC, it's easy to find examples online, and keith Hill and Wolfgang Rübsam are right to say that the voices are slightly out of line. But I also looked at the manuscript of a Mozart piano sonata and that too seemed no more aligned than the Bach.
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1404 on: January 12, 2018, 03:51:42 AM »
Quite interesting. I think Rubsam made a Goldberg on the Lautenwerck that is going to be released soon.

Yes, in august this year.
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1405 on: January 12, 2018, 03:56:05 AM »
Actually I just looked at some of the manuscript of WTC, it's easy to find examples online, and keith Hill and Wolfgang Rübsam are right to say that the voices are slightly out of line. But I also looked at the manuscript of a Mozart piano sonata and that too seemed no more aligned than the Bach.

Yes, this is in principle what I just wrote above, and the reason why I find Hill's theory to be overinterpretation (read: free fancy).
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1406 on: January 12, 2018, 04:26:59 AM »
Which Vartolo are you referring to? The one on tactus?

I just listened to his Goldberg variations, and it is also very much "horizontal" in the manner of Rubsam. Quite interesting. I think Rubsam made a Goldberg on the Lautenwerck that is going to be released soon.

Yes, the Tactus and Naxos are the same. It's really the Fredscobaldi that I was thinking of, it's a while since I heard his Bach.

Cera's French suits may also be a bit horizontal, I'm not sure. 
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1407 on: January 12, 2018, 05:40:54 AM »
Yes, the Tactus and Naxos are the same. It's really the Fredscobaldi that I was thinking of..

Oh no, Vartolo recorded only the Fantasie Book I, Ricercari and Canzoni Francesi for Naxos, but these recordings were not released by Tactus. These works were recorded for Tactus by Francesco Tasini.
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1408 on: January 12, 2018, 05:41:49 AM »
Oh no, Vartolo recorded only the Fantasie Book I, Ricercari and Canzoni Francesi for Naxos, but these recordings were not released by Tactus. These works were recorded for Tactus by Francesco Tasini.

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
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Céline Frisch, une habituée du Théâtre de la Ville, fondatrice de l’ensemble Café Zimmermann avec lequel elle a enregistré, entre autres, Les Concerts pour plusieurs instruments de Bach, continue d’élargir son énorme répertoire de Bach. Cinq ans après avoir donné au Théâtre des Abbesses le Premier Livre du Clavier bien tempéré (sorti sur disque en 2015 et couronné par un Diapason d’or, un Choc du Classica et d’un ffff de Télérama), elle donnera un choix de pièces du Second Livre dont elle est en train de terminer l’enregistrement intégral – qui devait être (sauf omission de notre part) son 23e album…   

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1410 on: June 01, 2018, 11:30:12 PM »


This WTC 2 was released as long ago as 1986 and reissued in 2013, but I hadn’t noticed. It’s often muscular and full of vitality.  She’s a contrapuntalist, that’s to say the complexity of the interrelationships among the voices matters very much in her interpretation, and she doesn’t try to seduce is by highlighting one of the melodies in the mix. She’s well aware of the variety of affects, and there are some moments of greater tenderness - modulo the overall tough approach. A tough approach, but not an intellectual one. Anne Gallot is never maudlin or mawkish. She’s no doubt an interesting musician and I think this is worth catching.
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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1411 on: June 02, 2018, 12:01:07 AM »
My interest was piqued by this new release you just posted (didn't know Frédéric Haas was still recording!):



Frédérick Haas Hemsch 1751 WTC 2

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Re: Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier
« Reply #1412 on: June 02, 2018, 02:06:23 AM »
(didn't know Frédéric Haas was still recording!):

He also released a new Scarlatti CD last year, again using his Hemsch.
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